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<i>Yes, hot diggity dog.</i>

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<i>It's 7:00 in Wimberley, Texas.</i>

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<i>Toddy and Pooch are back
at the controls here at KWVH.</i>

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<i>Tonight, well, we have
something a little different.</i>

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<i>In our never-ending quest
to get your feet moving,</i>

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<i>and wagging its tail, we
have a very special guest.</i>

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Very special, well, it
doesn't even begin to cover it,

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TRUE?

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Our guest has won more Grammy Awards

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than I could count: three for Best Album.

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Two-time member of the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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♪ Over the mountains, down in the valley ♪

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♪ Lives a former talk show host ♪

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♪ Everyone knows your name ♪

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He performs in front of more than half

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a million people on multiple occasions.

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♪ Tell him to make me a cambric shirt ♪

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♪ Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme ♪

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♪ Growing up and being a man

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♪ It is sung with the Muppets...

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♪ Be a man ♪

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♪ And the devil called my name ♪

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From New York, it's Saturday night!

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With Paul Simon, who is one of the great

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performers of all time
on Saturday Night Live.

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Once again, Paul Simón.

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Once again, Paul Simón!

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We will stay at the Pierre

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and meet Jack and Angelica

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and have a drink there.

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And if you want to come,
we'd love to have you.

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Acts in a winning film

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Oscar for Best Picture.

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It's not a great deal.

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It's just relaxing, being very calm.

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Cool.

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Remember we had that thing?

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What thing?

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♪ I know what I know ♪

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♪ I know what I know ♪

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♪ We come and we go ♪

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♪ We come and we go ♪

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♪ I know what I know ♪

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♪ I know what I know ♪

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And even more important than all that

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is that he is simply the best composer.

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in the history of American popular music.

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We love you, Pablo!

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"I Know What I Know" from "Graceland."

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I can't believe I can say this.

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Paul Simon joins us today.

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Hey!

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Thanks, Todd. Thanks, Ben.

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Composers, I mean,
obviously, you in particular,

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one of the things I've always wondered,

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You know, once you were
writing your own material

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and having success in the
whirlwind of rock and roll,

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You know, I contacted you, how
did you experience the music?

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Or how are you still doing today?

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So there are different... you know,

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If your career is songwriting

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and, uh, it's a pretty unusual career.

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I never thought anything was a risk.

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I didn't really know what song was
going to be a hit and people used to say:

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Oh, you've got your finger on the pulse.

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And I would think, no, I don't
have my finger on the pulse.

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I just have my finger out and the pulse

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is running underneath it for the moment.

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Your creative abilities, it's a mystery

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why it happens and how long it lasts.

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I love mystery.

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I really love mystery.

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Your process seems to be
somewhat similar to mine,

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that is, you gather a lot
of information and then...

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That's exactly what's happening.

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And then you say, what's
the interesting story here?

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- That's right.
- Know?

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How does the story begin?

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That's always an important
question when writing songs.

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What is the sound I want here?

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You know, it's like an
old saying, guitarists

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spend half their lives
tuning their guitar.

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and the other half out of tune.

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So this little guitar... riff

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It is a kind of base of the-

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On January 15, 2019,
I had a dream that said:

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you're working on a piece
called "Seven Psalms."

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And I hadn't written

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anything for a couple of years,

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I also didn't feel like writing

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anything for a couple of years.

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The dream was so strong

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that I got up and wrote it down.

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"Seven Psalms, January 15, 2019."

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But I had no idea what that meant.

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But little by little information
was arriving, such as...

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And I'd say, oh, okay,
maybe that's there, you know.

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Maybe this is there.

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Let's play it again.

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This is the opening of the registry.

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I don't think you've heard this.

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That's a whale bone.

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I try all the time to move things in this

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kind of flow that puts you in a dream.

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And I think if you're
willing to fall into a

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dream space, you're
willing to stop judging.

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You know, it's like a meditation.

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The information that arrives
arrives in a purer form.

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And you will be able to hear and
feel it more clearly and intensely.

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How did you hear it just now?

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Well, it started out
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you're here and the camera is on, so...

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I had to divide my thinking between the

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music and was it a good performance?

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or, you know, there's a trial going on.

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Now, will those cameras
be inhibiting, Paul?

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I live with these cameras, Artie.

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These cameras, have you
ever seen them inhibit me?

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Such a different medium...
such a different medium.

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I forgot how much
I trust the fact that it

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is: you can make sounds
without being seen.

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You can create images without being seen.

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That's how I-that's how I write,

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images but you don't see them,
so in a way you evoke images.

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But these are photographs.

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I write for several reasons.

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Some songs I write for the
pleasure of writing a song.

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It doesn't have any great meaning.

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It's just a song.

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The songs are beautiful.

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People sing songs. Children sing songs

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all the time for the pleasure of singing.

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In some songs, you try to
express yourself emotionally.

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Those are different songs for me.

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And they express
what I feel, and relieve...

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Tensions that I feel when I express them.

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But I don't think about
communicating with anyone.

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♪ Train, train ♪

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Growing up, I had like four idols.

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Mickey Mantle, Kennedy, Lenny Bruce...

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I was like a very
depressed kid, you know?

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And I was seven or eight years old, and

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it really got me excited and out of my...

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...and Elvis Presley.

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It didn't matter what they did.
They fascinated me.

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The name Elvis Presley was
one of the strangest names.

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ever heard.

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You know, everyone I knew was called, you

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know, David Rothbaum
or something like that.

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♪ Well, if your baby leaves you ♪

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♪ And you have a story to tell ♪

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I don't really know what kind of
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Were you... were you... poor?

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All the songs, at
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the one that's... isn't it number one?

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Selling album in the country
now or have you been?

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I think it was.

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- "Bridge over troubled waters"?
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Uh, there's a lot of rail riding and...

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And all that kind of stuff.

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Is that your experience?

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Were you a poor child?

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No, I was middle class.

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Yeah?

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I grew up here in New York in Queens.

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This is my street, 70th Road.

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This was considered
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it was a long way from New York City.

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It was the end of the subway line.

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Number 62 was my house.

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Upstairs was my bedroom.

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Paul was the neighbor
three blocks away, who

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I met in sixth grade,
so there were 11 of us.

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And we were singing from the beginning.

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♪ She's gone ♪

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We sang at my house and

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played things on the recorder.

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♪ Missing ♪

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We are beginning to harmonize together.

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♪ She's gone ♪

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We were cast together in
the play Alice in Wonderland.

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He was the White Rabbit
and I was the Cheshire Cat.

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And then, the next year, in high
school, we were in the same class.

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I watched him form his
personality and become

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who he chose to be, like he did with me.

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He is a very unusual guy.

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He always was, even
when he was ten years old.

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He was-he was-

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You know, the first time I met him, he

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was in a candy store we used to go to.

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after we left school.

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And I came... and here was this child,

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And he was waving boxes of Good and Plenty.

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And finally, and I was
looking at it, you know,

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because I was going to buy
my Captain Marvel comic.

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And he was shaking these
boxes of Good and Plenty,

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and finally, the store
owner kicked him out,

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He said he had to get out.

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And I said to the guy,
"Why did you kick him out?"

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And he said, "He comes here all the

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time and shakes these boxes to see

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which one has more Good and Plenty,

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and that's the one who buys, you know."

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And now here are some
guys who created one of

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the best songs in
America not too long ago.

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We used to listen to
Top 20 at Artie's house.

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And I used to keep a
chart of all the songs

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and we would follow them week after week.

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I loved that the songs
had numbers, you know?

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These songs were
competing and calibrated.

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And you could see that
last week's number seven

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song jumped to this
week's number two song.

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Well, the math of that kind

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of thing got to me somehow.

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I was somehow caught up in
that aspect as well as the music.

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If you look at him now, you'd
say he was obsessive-compulsive.

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His handwriting...
looks like a typewriter.

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♪ My beloved baby until the end of time ♪

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My favorite group was the Cleftones.

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♪ Little, little, little, little, on-yes ♪

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"My girl."

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♪ Bow-bow-bow-bow ♪

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♪ Can't we be boyfriends? ♪

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♪ Why don't we fall in love? ♪

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"Can't we be boyfriend and girlfriend?"

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♪ You're the girl I'm thinking of ♪

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The Moonglows, who did "Sincerely."

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♪ Never let her go ♪

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♪ Sincerely ♪

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♪ Wah-oh ♪

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♪ Angel of the earth, angel of the earth ♪

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I liked the Penguins, "Earth Angel."

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♪ The one I adore ♪

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♪ I will love you forever ♪

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"Promising My Love" by Johnny Ace.

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♪ The rest of my days ♪

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♪ I will never be separated from you ♪

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♪ And your loving ways ♪

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I don't know, I can
think of 15 or 20 where

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I say that I really like those albums.

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In fact, they make me feel nostalgic and

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bring to mind images of my neighborhood.

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like standing in the corner of this

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candy store where everyone hung out,

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and in summer, we are in the

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playground, imagine
that school playground.

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My culture was the radio.

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It wasn't like I was singing
Queens music, you know?

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We didn't have people sitting

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on porches in Queens singing,

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You know, fables about what
Queens was like in the old days.

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There was nothing like that.

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♪ Goodbye love ♪

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♪ Goodbye, happiness ♪

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When I heard "Bye Bye
Love" by the Everly Brothers,

256
00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,137
I immediately fell in love with her.

257
00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:50,558
♪ Goodbye love ♪

258
00:15:50,642 --> 00:15:53,563
The only record store was in Jamaica.

259
00:15:53,646 --> 00:15:56,110
To get there you had to take two buses.

260
00:15:56,193 --> 00:15:58,991
And it took me about an hour to

261
00:15:59,074 --> 00:16:00,786
get to Jamaica to buy this record.

262
00:16:00,870 --> 00:16:03,791
So I bought the album,
I come back, I play it.

263
00:16:03,875 --> 00:16:05,754
I turn it over, touch the second

264
00:16:05,837 --> 00:16:07,632
side and then touch it again,

265
00:16:07,715 --> 00:16:10,161
and I hit the record player,
and the needle scraped.

266
00:16:11,388 --> 00:16:15,377
I got back on the bus, traveled
another hour, spent another dollar,

267
00:16:15,457 --> 00:16:19,446
and I didn't have that many
anymore, and bought the album again.

268
00:16:19,529 --> 00:16:21,867
I couldn't stand this being scratched.

269
00:16:21,950 --> 00:16:24,329
♪ She was my baby ♪

270
00:16:24,413 --> 00:16:27,043
I called Artie and said, listen to this.

271
00:16:27,126 --> 00:16:29,506
♪ Goodbye to romance ♪

272
00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:32,135
And we were just
learning what harmony was.

273
00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:37,230
♪ Goodbye love ♪

274
00:16:37,313 --> 00:16:38,982
♪ Goodbye, happiness ♪

275
00:16:39,066 --> 00:16:41,487
The Everly Brothers sang in thirds.

276
00:16:41,570 --> 00:16:44,993
Harmony was above melodies.

277
00:16:45,077 --> 00:16:48,750
♪ I think I'm going to cry ♪

278
00:16:48,834 --> 00:16:51,756
♪ Goodbye love ♪

279
00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,925
That's Don singing.

280
00:16:53,008 --> 00:16:55,095
Phil is singing...

281
00:16:55,178 --> 00:16:57,851
♪ Goodbye love ♪

282
00:16:57,934 --> 00:17:00,773
♪ Goodbye, happiness ♪

283
00:17:00,857 --> 00:17:03,194
♪ Hello, loneliness ♪

284
00:17:03,278 --> 00:17:05,866
♪ I think I'm going to cry ♪

285
00:17:05,949 --> 00:17:09,247
Then we just practiced
singing like the Everly Brothers.

286
00:17:09,330 --> 00:17:11,542
We had enough Everly brothers in our

287
00:17:11,626 --> 00:17:13,922
minds to know how to
produce that harmony.

288
00:17:14,005 --> 00:17:16,927
And we wrote together and got jealous

289
00:17:17,011 --> 00:17:18,806
of the artists who recorded on the radio.

290
00:17:18,891 --> 00:17:21,980
and we saw ourselves competing
and learned to do demonstrations.

291
00:17:22,063 --> 00:17:24,651
♪ Who-bop-a-loo-chi-bop, you're mine ♪

292
00:17:24,733 --> 00:17:26,278
♪ To say, who-bop-a-loo-chi-bop ♪

293
00:17:26,361 --> 00:17:27,361
♪ you are mine ♪

294
00:17:27,406 --> 00:17:30,912
♪ Hey, schoolgirl in the second row ♪

295
00:17:33,041 --> 00:17:34,219
♪ The teacher is watching ♪

296
00:17:34,302 --> 00:17:36,188
♪ Then I have to whisper very quietly ♪

297
00:17:37,842 --> 00:17:39,569
♪ To say, who-bop-a-loo-chi-bop ♪

298
00:17:39,649 --> 00:17:41,976
"Hello schoolgirl", we wrote
it when we were 15 years old.

299
00:17:42,057 --> 00:17:44,772
We basically wrote it
about our high school.

300
00:17:44,855 --> 00:17:46,991
♪ She said, hey, honey,
but there's one more thing ♪

301
00:17:47,071 --> 00:17:48,947
♪ My school ends at half past four ♪

302
00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:50,515
We'd go to record companies and

303
00:17:50,599 --> 00:17:52,369
just knock on the door, you know.

304
00:17:52,453 --> 00:17:54,074
We would say we wrote this song.

305
00:17:54,154 --> 00:17:57,343
And, you know, in those days, people
were like, "Oh, really? Come on in."

306
00:17:57,963 --> 00:18:01,010
When we were almost 16,
we had recorded this song

307
00:18:01,094 --> 00:18:03,975
for a small record
company called Big Records.

308
00:18:04,058 --> 00:18:05,687
That was in the Brill building,

309
00:18:05,770 --> 00:18:08,024
1619 Broadway.

310
00:18:08,108 --> 00:18:10,361
♪ To say, who-bop-a-loo-chi-bop ♪

311
00:18:10,444 --> 00:18:13,157
The record company gave
us the name Tom and Jerry.

312
00:18:13,241 --> 00:18:16,038
I was Jerry.

313
00:18:16,122 --> 00:18:18,585
♪ She said, hey, baby,
I have a lot to do ♪

314
00:18:18,668 --> 00:18:20,255
The album was a success.

315
00:18:20,339 --> 00:18:23,094
It was performed on Dick
Clark's American Bandstand.

316
00:18:23,177 --> 00:18:25,181
The children danced.

317
00:18:25,265 --> 00:18:27,685
And then we went to The Dick

318
00:18:27,768 --> 00:18:29,355
Clark Show with Jerry Lee Lewis.

319
00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:33,738
I told you on American Bandstand

320
00:18:33,822 --> 00:18:35,908
that I came from Macon, Georgia.

321
00:18:35,992 --> 00:18:37,077
I just left.

322
00:18:37,162 --> 00:18:38,414
Where are you guys from?

323
00:18:38,497 --> 00:18:40,126
Macon, Georgia.

324
00:18:40,209 --> 00:18:42,032
He appeared with a southern

325
00:18:42,112 --> 00:18:43,632
accent and was from Macon, Georgia.

326
00:18:43,715 --> 00:18:45,385
I kept thinking, why didn't he

327
00:18:45,469 --> 00:18:47,138
tell me he was going to do this?

328
00:18:47,221 --> 00:18:50,061
I could see Artie, like,
looking, like, what...?

329
00:18:50,144 --> 00:18:51,144
"Where are you from?"

330
00:18:51,188 --> 00:18:52,774
And he said, "Queens."

331
00:18:52,857 --> 00:18:54,944
♪ See you after school at 3:00 ♪

332
00:18:55,028 --> 00:18:57,323
At that time I worked in a shoe store.

333
00:18:57,407 --> 00:19:00,245
But after we went to
the American Bandstand,

334
00:19:00,329 --> 00:19:01,791
I walked in and the boss, who I

335
00:19:01,874 --> 00:19:03,670
couldn't stand, told me, "You're late."

336
00:19:03,753 --> 00:19:05,757
I said, "No, no, I quit."

337
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,178
♪ Get out of here very quickly ♪

338
00:19:08,261 --> 00:19:09,932
♪ Hey, schoolgirl ♪

339
00:19:10,015 --> 00:19:12,435
Even though my father was a bassist...

340
00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:16,694
He ran a band in
Roseland for about 25 years.

341
00:19:16,777 --> 00:19:19,532
He really wasn't encouraging

342
00:19:19,615 --> 00:19:22,872
about doing rock and roll as a career.

343
00:19:22,956 --> 00:19:26,212
He thought it was really stupid music.

344
00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:28,265
I was like, "Why don't
you like this music?"

345
00:19:28,348 --> 00:19:30,837
He said, "Because it's
really dumb. It's dumb."

346
00:19:31,221 --> 00:19:32,890
I'd say, "Fool?"

347
00:19:32,974 --> 00:19:36,230
"Earth angel."

348
00:19:36,313 --> 00:19:38,260
Earth angel.

349
00:19:38,643 --> 00:19:39,862
Do you see what I'm saying?

350
00:19:39,946 --> 00:19:41,706
I thought that, for
me, it was the first time

351
00:19:41,741 --> 00:19:43,611
that a sense of irony
had entered my life.

352
00:19:43,694 --> 00:19:45,139
in my life, "Angel of the Earth."

353
00:19:46,124 --> 00:19:48,920
He said: "I get it.
I just think it's silly."

354
00:19:56,185 --> 00:19:59,019
So we had fun listening
to some of the early songs.

355
00:19:59,099 --> 00:20:00,734
Oh yeah, which one did you like?

356
00:20:00,817 --> 00:20:07,079
♪ Saturday night and I'm alone ♪

357
00:20:07,163 --> 00:20:11,463
♪ I don't have a date,
I'm just sitting at home ♪

358
00:20:11,546 --> 00:20:14,218
I... I completely forgot
and then I heard it.

359
00:20:14,301 --> 00:20:16,806
And I said, wow, my voice was very pretty.

360
00:20:16,889 --> 00:20:18,601
It was a sweet voice.

361
00:20:18,684 --> 00:20:22,399
♪ Play me a sad song tonight ♪

362
00:20:24,655 --> 00:20:30,414
♪ I don't want to listen to a lullaby ♪

363
00:20:30,498 --> 00:20:32,585
♪ I can't sleep ♪

364
00:20:32,669 --> 00:20:36,510
♪ I sit and cry ♪

365
00:20:36,593 --> 00:20:39,098
♪ Play me a sad song ♪

366
00:20:39,181 --> 00:20:42,436
My dad was very happy
that I went to Queens College.

367
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,192
which was a free school.

368
00:20:45,276 --> 00:20:47,655
I studied English literature.

369
00:20:47,739 --> 00:20:50,417
And then I scored very highly on the law

370
00:20:50,497 --> 00:20:52,256
boards and went to Brooklyn Law School.

371
00:20:52,339 --> 00:20:54,460
But really, from the beginning,

372
00:20:54,544 --> 00:20:56,965
I just said, I don't know
what I'm doing here.

373
00:20:57,048 --> 00:20:59,719
I've never wanted to be
anything other than, you know,

374
00:20:59,802 --> 00:21:03,392
a singer and songwriter
since I was 13 years old.

375
00:21:05,564 --> 00:21:09,071
♪ Come gather, people, wherever you go ♪

376
00:21:09,155 --> 00:21:13,829
♪ And admit that the waters
around you have risen ♪

377
00:21:13,913 --> 00:21:15,707
♪ And accept it soon ♪

378
00:21:15,790 --> 00:21:18,338
♪ You will be soaked to the skin ♪

379
00:21:18,421 --> 00:21:21,009
♪ If it's worth saving your time ♪

380
00:21:21,092 --> 00:21:22,763
I started getting down to the Village

381
00:21:22,846 --> 00:21:24,893
to Bleecker and MacDougal folk scene,

382
00:21:24,976 --> 00:21:26,437
and that was really interesting.

383
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,569
♪ Times are changing ♪

384
00:21:30,653 --> 00:21:33,032
That's the first time I heard Dylan.

385
00:21:33,115 --> 00:21:36,246
I was singing adult music.

386
00:21:36,330 --> 00:21:40,212
♪ Come, writers and critics
who prophesy with your pen ♪

387
00:21:40,295 --> 00:21:45,053
♪ And keep your eyes wide open,
the opportunity will not appear again ♪

388
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:49,647
♪ And don't speak too soon,
because the wheel keeps turning ♪

389
00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:53,320
♪ And it is not known who he is naming ♪

390
00:21:53,404 --> 00:21:56,283
♪ Because the loser now will be... ♪

391
00:21:56,368 --> 00:21:58,788
I started writing with an acoustic guitar

392
00:21:58,871 --> 00:22:02,253
and finding little figures, you know,

393
00:22:02,336 --> 00:22:04,172
to play on acoustic guitar.

394
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:12,273
♪ Hello darkness my old friend ♪

395
00:22:14,108 --> 00:22:16,279
♪ I have come to talk to you again ♪

396
00:22:16,362 --> 00:22:19,368
I used to go to the bathroom
at my parents' house.

397
00:22:19,452 --> 00:22:22,123
♪ Because a vision creeps softly ♪

398
00:22:22,207 --> 00:22:24,628
There were tiles on the wall
and I turned on the water.

399
00:22:24,712 --> 00:22:29,387
♪ He left his seeds while he was sleeping ♪

400
00:22:29,471 --> 00:22:35,816
♪ And the vision that
was planted in my brain ♪

401
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:37,736
And the tile echoed, and the

402
00:22:37,819 --> 00:22:40,408
water was like a white noise sound.

403
00:22:40,492 --> 00:22:43,205
♪ Inside the sound ♪

404
00:22:43,288 --> 00:22:45,416
♪ Of silence ♪

405
00:22:47,296 --> 00:22:49,842
♪ In restless dreams, I walked alone ♪

406
00:22:49,926 --> 00:22:52,555
I was going to a space that was a zone.

407
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,228
♪ Narrow cobblestone streets ♪

408
00:22:57,482 --> 00:23:01,071
♪ Under the halo of a streetlight ♪

409
00:23:01,154 --> 00:23:06,540
There is a very easy
flow of creative energy.

410
00:23:06,623 --> 00:23:13,220
♪ When my eyes were stabbed
by a neon light explosion ♪

411
00:23:13,303 --> 00:23:15,055
♪ That divided the night ♪

412
00:23:16,892 --> 00:23:20,274
♪ And he played the sound ♪

413
00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:22,403
♪ Of silence ♪

414
00:23:22,486 --> 00:23:25,742
A second ago that thought

415
00:23:25,826 --> 00:23:27,788
wasn't here and now I'm crying.

416
00:23:27,872 --> 00:23:29,250
♪ 10,000 people, maybe more ♪

417
00:23:29,333 --> 00:23:32,088
You know, how did that happen?

418
00:23:32,172 --> 00:23:35,010
♪ People talking without talking ♪

419
00:23:35,093 --> 00:23:36,597
And how can I do it again?

420
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,937
♪ People who hear without listening ♪

421
00:23:41,022 --> 00:23:44,277
♪ People writing songs ♪

422
00:23:44,361 --> 00:23:48,534
♪ Those voices never shared ♪

423
00:23:48,618 --> 00:23:52,042
♪ And no one dared ♪

424
00:23:52,125 --> 00:23:54,881
♪ Disturb the sound ♪

425
00:23:54,964 --> 00:23:56,885
♪ Of silence ♪

426
00:24:04,314 --> 00:24:06,318
Thanks guys. We love your program.

427
00:24:06,401 --> 00:24:07,988
- It's very fun.
- Thank you, Edie.

428
00:24:09,073 --> 00:24:10,827
- That's very good.
- It was very fun.

429
00:24:10,911 --> 00:24:12,639
We will do it again.
We will do it again.

430
00:24:12,722 --> 00:24:15,069
- Oh, yes, stop by whenever you want.
- Yes, you know.

431
00:24:15,153 --> 00:24:16,871
I am always here. You pass me by.

432
00:24:16,954 --> 00:24:17,954
You see me at the window.

433
00:24:17,989 --> 00:24:20,344
We're Wimberley people,
so we'll come back and...

434
00:24:20,428 --> 00:24:21,889
We will come back and do it again.

435
00:24:21,973 --> 00:24:23,885
This is really something
incredibly beautiful.

436
00:24:23,968 --> 00:24:26,414
We can't wait to hear what's

437
00:24:26,494 --> 00:24:27,588
next, you know, in your career.

438
00:24:27,608 --> 00:24:30,029
Well, when it's ready, I'll
come and bring it to you.

439
00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:40,758
We moved to Texas a few years ago.

440
00:24:40,842 --> 00:24:42,891
And Edie grew up in Paris, Texas, so

441
00:24:42,971 --> 00:24:46,435
her fondest memories are of country.

442
00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:48,564
And she loved the stream.

443
00:24:48,647 --> 00:24:51,153
He liked to walk through the streams.

444
00:24:52,655 --> 00:24:57,122
So he found a house in the
Hill Country, not far from Austin.

445
00:24:57,205 --> 00:24:59,626
that was right on
this really pretty creek.

446
00:25:02,673 --> 00:25:05,261
It's really quiet, really peaceful.

447
00:25:05,345 --> 00:25:09,644
I thought, yeah, I'll be happy
spending some of my time there.

448
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:14,947
I moved my recording studio there.

449
00:25:24,715 --> 00:25:26,718
From the beginning of "Seven Psalms",

450
00:25:26,803 --> 00:25:28,803
What I remember most
is that he played this

451
00:25:28,883 --> 00:25:31,811
beautiful guitar motif
over and over again.

452
00:25:31,894 --> 00:25:33,649
And every time I touched it, I

453
00:25:33,732 --> 00:25:37,407
felt this very good, moving feeling.

454
00:25:38,091 --> 00:25:40,705
And he would come out of
whatever room he was in and say:

455
00:25:40,785 --> 00:25:43,399
"There it is again. That's the
most beautiful piece of guitar.

456
00:25:43,483 --> 00:25:45,737
You have to do something with this."

457
00:25:48,091 --> 00:25:53,102
Maybe because this came from
a dream, you know, I was patient.

458
00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:56,733
I was... I was very patient with that.

459
00:26:00,783 --> 00:26:03,620
I started waking up two or three times a

460
00:26:03,704 --> 00:26:06,293
week between 3:30
and 5:00 in the morning,

461
00:26:06,376 --> 00:26:08,296
and the words would come.

462
00:26:08,379 --> 00:26:10,049
I would write them.

463
00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:13,873
And if I tried to add more to them...
like, oh, that's a good verse.

464
00:26:13,953 --> 00:26:15,769
I will write a second verse; would stop.

465
00:26:17,981 --> 00:26:22,114
And I said, well, whatever
this is, it's just coming.

466
00:26:22,198 --> 00:26:24,410
He comes towards me and that's it.

467
00:26:24,494 --> 00:26:26,594
I just have to wait.

468
00:26:26,674 --> 00:26:31,006
And when it arrives, write it
down and start putting it together.

469
00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:35,013
♪ I've been thinking
about the great migration ♪

470
00:26:36,683 --> 00:26:39,438
♪ One by one, they leave the flock ♪

471
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,988
♪ I've been wondering about your fate ♪

472
00:26:45,282 --> 00:26:48,162
♪ Prairie grass or irregular rock ♪

473
00:26:51,544 --> 00:26:53,506
♪ The Lord is my engineer ♪

474
00:26:55,301 --> 00:26:57,639
♪ The Lord is the Earth on which I ride ♪

475
00:26:59,476 --> 00:27:02,398
♪ The Lord is the face in the atmosphere ♪

476
00:27:04,777 --> 00:27:07,323
♪ The path on which I slip and slide ♪

477
00:27:09,661 --> 00:27:11,832
And then somehow last October, I lost

478
00:27:11,915 --> 00:27:15,881
hearing in my left ear and it was just...

479
00:27:18,511 --> 00:27:21,349
Towards the end of October,

480
00:27:21,433 --> 00:27:23,186
It was... it was almost gone, you know?

481
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:27,237
It threw me off because my voice
wasn't coming from the same place.

482
00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:29,699
I wasn't sitting here.

483
00:27:29,782 --> 00:27:32,120
I was like sitting...

484
00:27:33,622 --> 00:27:36,044
♪ Calm and tranquility ♪

485
00:27:38,006 --> 00:27:40,720
♪ Starry night ♪

486
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:46,271
♪ Silver Moon ♪

487
00:27:46,356 --> 00:27:49,986
♪ To soften the edge of daylight ♪

488
00:27:52,824 --> 00:27:56,247
And then I started thinking,
you know, this whole piece...

489
00:27:56,332 --> 00:27:58,419
♪ And so the story goes ♪

490
00:27:58,503 --> 00:28:01,926
It was actually...

491
00:28:02,009 --> 00:28:04,685
something I had to deal with, and

492
00:28:04,765 --> 00:28:08,981
maybe this hearing
was part of the process.

493
00:28:10,066 --> 00:28:11,490
And now it was going to be harder,

494
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:13,656
and maybe it was meant to be harder.

495
00:28:20,585 --> 00:28:25,010
This is a journey I must complete.

496
00:28:27,098 --> 00:28:29,644
This whole piece is really an argument.

497
00:28:29,728 --> 00:28:32,984
I'm having with myself
about believing or not.

498
00:28:42,627 --> 00:28:45,841
I think I have to do
it... let me track it wildly.

499
00:28:45,924 --> 00:28:47,261
Well.

500
00:28:53,104 --> 00:28:54,590
That's not going to work, is it?

501
00:28:54,673 --> 00:28:56,728
I think it's a beautiful thing.

502
00:28:57,613 --> 00:29:00,310
It is?

503
00:29:00,394 --> 00:29:03,708
You know, it's not a thought
I really enjoy, you know.

504
00:29:03,792 --> 00:29:06,755
I don't like to think, oh,
this is the point of this.

505
00:29:06,838 --> 00:29:11,222
I like to work and then discover.

506
00:29:11,305 --> 00:29:13,392
Let me see if I want this investment.

507
00:29:13,476 --> 00:29:17,818
People say, why do you always
want to change your sound?

508
00:29:17,901 --> 00:29:19,738
I'm not thinking that way at all.

509
00:29:19,822 --> 00:29:23,995
I'm looking for the edge
of what you can hear.

510
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:27,418
I can almost hear it, but not quite.

511
00:29:27,502 --> 00:29:30,591
But that's what I want.

512
00:29:30,675 --> 00:29:32,679
Now, how do you get there?

513
00:29:32,762 --> 00:29:36,351
It's... it's a journey
because it's on the horizon.

514
00:29:37,938 --> 00:29:40,986
And sometimes you find that you can

515
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:43,950
do something that has magic, you know?

516
00:29:55,930 --> 00:30:01,190
In 1964 I did a demonstration
of "The Sound of Silence."

517
00:30:01,274 --> 00:30:02,359
It was just me.

518
00:30:02,443 --> 00:30:03,863
It wasn't with Artie.

519
00:30:03,946 --> 00:30:07,076
And through my connections in New York,

520
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,221
I played it to Tom Wilson, who was a

521
00:30:09,301 --> 00:30:13,379
producer at Columbia Records, very cool.

522
00:30:13,463 --> 00:30:17,011
He also produced Bob
Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone."

523
00:30:17,095 --> 00:30:19,057
He recorded Blood, Sweat and Tears.

524
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:20,685
He recorded Laura Nyro.

525
00:30:20,769 --> 00:30:23,398
He recorded Hugh Masekela,

526
00:30:23,482 --> 00:30:25,277
the Mothers of Invention,

527
00:30:25,361 --> 00:30:26,571
the loving spoonful.

528
00:30:26,655 --> 00:30:27,949
He made, I mean, hits.

529
00:30:30,286 --> 00:30:33,709
♪ And no one dared ♪

530
00:30:33,793 --> 00:30:36,129
♪ Disturb the sound ♪

531
00:30:36,214 --> 00:30:39,260
♪ Of silence ♪

532
00:30:39,344 --> 00:30:40,931
♪ Fools, I said, you don't know ♪

533
00:30:41,014 --> 00:30:43,561
And I said, "I'm singing this
song with a friend of mine."

534
00:30:43,645 --> 00:30:45,181
♪ Silence grows like a cancer ♪

535
00:30:45,262 --> 00:30:47,653
"Could we come in and audition for you?"

536
00:30:47,736 --> 00:30:50,324
♪ Listen to my words
that I could teach you ♪

537
00:30:50,408 --> 00:30:51,742
He said, "Yeah, sure."

538
00:30:51,826 --> 00:30:54,122
So Artie and I went in and sang it.

539
00:30:54,205 --> 00:30:56,084
♪ Reach you ♪

540
00:30:56,167 --> 00:30:58,422
♪ But my words ♪

541
00:30:58,505 --> 00:31:01,594
♪ Like silent raindrops fell ♪

542
00:31:04,852 --> 00:31:08,315
♪ And it echoed in the wells ♪

543
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:09,818
♪ Of silence ♪

544
00:31:09,901 --> 00:31:12,866
And they said they would sign us.

545
00:31:12,949 --> 00:31:15,202
We were very excited
because, really, at that

546
00:31:15,282 --> 00:31:18,710
time you couldn't be in
a more prestigious place.

547
00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:21,798
than Columbia Records.

548
00:31:21,882 --> 00:31:24,859
Then there was a big debate
about what our name would

549
00:31:24,939 --> 00:31:27,226
be because there was a
group called Art and Paul.

550
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:32,152
So Columbia was trying to come up
with names and, they were horrible.

551
00:31:32,235 --> 00:31:33,739
They were really horrible.

552
00:31:33,822 --> 00:31:37,328
I mean, one of them was the Rye Catchers.

553
00:31:37,411 --> 00:31:40,249
That's how they saw us.
It's like, these guys...

554
00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:42,378
These guys are like Salingers.

555
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:46,379
Finally, the president
of Columbia Records,

556
00:31:46,462 --> 00:31:48,124
Goddard Lieberson, intervened and said:

557
00:31:48,308 --> 00:31:51,063
"No, his name should
be Simon and Garfunkel."

558
00:31:51,146 --> 00:31:56,531
Which, at the time, was pretty
radical to have ethnic names.

559
00:31:56,614 --> 00:31:58,785
People still Anglicized their names.

560
00:31:58,868 --> 00:32:01,383
All the Italians changed
their names, you know,

561
00:32:01,463 --> 00:32:03,127
Frankie Avalon, Bobby Rydell.

562
00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:05,257
Bob Dylan changed his name.

563
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:07,635
So, that was a big deal.

564
00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:11,100
Goddard Lieberson was definitely
making a statement with that.

565
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:19,574
And then we went in and
recorded our first album,

566
00:32:19,657 --> 00:32:21,786
"Wednesday morning, 3 a.m."

567
00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:24,081
♪ I can hear the soft breathing ♪

568
00:32:24,165 --> 00:32:27,422
♪ From the girl I love ♪

569
00:32:27,505 --> 00:32:30,261
♪ While she lies here by my side ♪

570
00:32:30,344 --> 00:32:32,974
♪ Asleep with the night ♪

571
00:32:33,057 --> 00:32:37,774
♪ And who ♪

572
00:32:37,858 --> 00:32:41,448
♪ will have mercy in his heart ♪

573
00:32:41,531 --> 00:32:45,122
♪ And who will feed ♪?

574
00:32:45,206 --> 00:32:50,132
♪ A starling sparrow ♪

575
00:32:50,216 --> 00:32:52,945
♪ Not me, said the golden wheat ♪

576
00:32:53,228 --> 00:32:55,224
Okay, we'll take it and cut it in half.

577
00:32:55,307 --> 00:32:57,578
Right, too, when you
get to "because vision",

578
00:32:57,661 --> 00:32:59,010
start to balance it out a little bit.

579
00:32:59,030 --> 00:33:00,182
I don't want to be so...

580
00:33:00,267 --> 00:33:01,819
- Well.
- ...be careful with that line.

581
00:33:01,903 --> 00:33:04,157
- A little stronger too.
- We're ready.

582
00:33:04,241 --> 00:33:09,834
♪ And the vision that
was planted in my brain ♪

583
00:33:09,918 --> 00:33:11,275
The album came out and there it played

584
00:33:11,295 --> 00:33:13,383
"The Sound of Silence."

585
00:33:13,466 --> 00:33:18,100
but, "Wednesday morning,
3 a.m." It was a failure.

586
00:33:18,183 --> 00:33:21,022
The album did not sell at all.

587
00:33:29,664 --> 00:33:32,160
I was still in law school at the time.

588
00:33:32,243 --> 00:33:35,133
Meanwhile, I was going back and forth to

589
00:33:35,216 --> 00:33:38,137
England, after my first
visit there as a tourist.

590
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:41,768
I was going on Christmas
break, spring break.

591
00:33:41,852 --> 00:33:44,649
And Art... he was in
graduate school at Columbia.

592
00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:47,155
So, we were kind of separated, you know.

593
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,582
By then he had already decided
that he did not want to be a lawyer.

594
00:33:52,665 --> 00:33:56,087
I want to be a musician who has lawyers

595
00:33:56,171 --> 00:33:58,467
who work for you when you need them.

596
00:33:58,550 --> 00:34:01,001
So leaving school was an
easy decision, and it was

597
00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:03,810
an easy decision to move
to London, which I loved.

598
00:34:06,023 --> 00:34:09,594
At some point in everyone's life,

599
00:34:09,674 --> 00:34:12,452
not necessarily at a specific age,

600
00:34:12,535 --> 00:34:14,330
Um, you're struck by the feeling

601
00:34:14,413 --> 00:34:17,711
that things are slipping away from you.

602
00:34:17,795 --> 00:34:19,965
And you try to grab them.

603
00:34:25,141 --> 00:34:29,234
♪ I was 22 years old
when I wrote this song ♪

604
00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:35,537
♪ I'm 23 now, but I won't be for long ♪

605
00:34:37,916 --> 00:34:41,840
♪ Time is ticking ♪

606
00:34:41,922 --> 00:34:47,057
♪ And the leaves that are green ♪

607
00:34:47,141 --> 00:34:49,647
♪ They turn brown ♪

608
00:34:52,651 --> 00:34:54,529
I started playing, these weren't clubs.

609
00:34:54,612 --> 00:34:56,366
like the clubs in New York.

610
00:34:56,451 --> 00:34:58,745
They were a room above a pub.

611
00:35:00,624 --> 00:35:02,753
There may be a microphone,
or there may not be.

612
00:35:10,853 --> 00:35:12,230
Thank you.

613
00:35:14,485 --> 00:35:19,494
This woman, Judith Piepe...
was a refugee from Germany.

614
00:35:19,577 --> 00:35:20,787
His father was a communist.

615
00:35:20,871 --> 00:35:22,291
She was Jewish.

616
00:35:22,374 --> 00:35:27,759
He fled during the war and
converted to the Anglican Church.

617
00:35:27,842 --> 00:35:30,181
He came to all the places I sang.

618
00:35:32,185 --> 00:35:36,108
The priest with whom I
did my training once said:

619
00:35:36,192 --> 00:35:37,952
"If you want to help
people, you have to love

620
00:35:38,029 --> 00:35:41,660
them. If you can't
love them, don't do it.

621
00:35:41,743 --> 00:35:43,830
Don't try to help them.

622
00:35:43,914 --> 00:35:48,881
If you don't love them, they won't be able
to forgive you for the bread you give them."

623
00:35:50,092 --> 00:35:51,972
I lived in the East End of

624
00:35:52,055 --> 00:35:55,310
London, by the docks, very hard.

625
00:35:55,394 --> 00:35:57,609
She lived in, you know,
an apartment, a tiny

626
00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:01,764
apartment, she had one
room, and she let me stay there.

627
00:36:03,158 --> 00:36:07,040
He had a little five-minute
BBC radio programme.

628
00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:10,379
called "Five to Ten", which was
broadcast between ten to five.

629
00:36:10,463 --> 00:36:14,221
And it was five minutes, and he was
talking, you know, a little while ago.

630
00:36:14,305 --> 00:36:17,226
This song by Paul Simon is an

631
00:36:17,306 --> 00:36:22,528
almost clinical description of isolation.

632
00:36:22,612 --> 00:36:25,117
And then she would play one of my songs.

633
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:28,413
Sometimes I write songs and after

634
00:36:28,497 --> 00:36:31,755
finishing them and playing them,

635
00:36:31,836 --> 00:36:35,093
I am horrified by the
degree of neurosis I possess.

636
00:36:39,018 --> 00:36:40,896
This is one of those songs.

637
00:36:40,979 --> 00:36:43,651
A kind of group therapy
without the group involved.

638
00:36:45,153 --> 00:36:47,240
♪ A winter day ♪

639
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:54,756
♪ In a deep and dark December ♪

640
00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:57,301
I don't usually sing anti-war songs.

641
00:36:57,385 --> 00:36:59,102
for the simple reason
that if at this point

642
00:36:59,182 --> 00:37:02,353
there is someone who is not convinced

643
00:37:02,436 --> 00:37:04,800
about the absurdity of
a war, eh, I don't think

644
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,447
they'll change their
minds because of a song.

645
00:37:08,531 --> 00:37:10,211
When I came to
England last year, it wasn't

646
00:37:10,291 --> 00:37:14,375
so much coming to
England as leaving New York.

647
00:37:14,458 --> 00:37:19,218
And then when I came
home in September of '64, I

648
00:37:19,301 --> 00:37:22,891
discovered that the same
complexes I had in New York,

649
00:37:22,975 --> 00:37:25,856
I immediately returned to them.
They were still there.

650
00:37:25,939 --> 00:37:29,222
And I found myself thinking
more and more about

651
00:37:29,302 --> 00:37:31,907
England and the
relationships I had formed.

652
00:37:37,335 --> 00:37:40,007
Kathy Chitty was my girlfriend.

653
00:37:40,090 --> 00:37:43,886
And I met her at the door
of the Brentwood Folk Club

654
00:37:43,966 --> 00:37:47,437
collecting the money
that people paid to get in.

655
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,721
TAPE RECORDING FOR
KATHY CHITTY September 1964

656
00:37:51,819 --> 00:37:53,214
Regarding your letter yesterday...

657
00:37:55,097 --> 00:37:56,358
I'm going to put away my cigarette.

658
00:37:56,378 --> 00:37:57,878
As soon as your letter arrived I

659
00:37:57,958 --> 00:37:59,598
received it yesterday
and it ruined my day

660
00:38:01,842 --> 00:38:03,343
because it was such a short letter

661
00:38:04,524 --> 00:38:07,026
Wait a second, I have
to find another cigarette.

662
00:38:07,156 --> 00:38:08,418
Well.

663
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:11,700
Artie's not here.
I don't know where it is.

664
00:38:12,881 --> 00:38:15,485
He told me he would come, but he

665
00:38:15,565 --> 00:38:16,675
left with his motorcycle to register it.

666
00:38:16,695 --> 00:38:19,500
I guess he'll be back any minute.

667
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:22,001
That tape is interesting.

668
00:38:22,086 --> 00:38:25,132
That was during the time
when he came and went.

669
00:38:25,216 --> 00:38:27,135
I was back at my parents' house.

670
00:38:27,816 --> 00:38:28,736
And it just arrived.

671
00:38:28,816 --> 00:38:31,219
He spent two desperate
hours registering it

672
00:38:31,299 --> 00:38:33,300
and was almost arrested
for threatening someone

673
00:38:33,381 --> 00:38:35,383
Are you going to say something for her?

674
00:38:35,463 --> 00:38:36,965
You know, I can never talk.

675
00:38:37,045 --> 00:38:39,647
I get stuck on stage, I can't
speak into a microphone.

676
00:38:41,929 --> 00:38:44,230
On this tape, I want
to play two new songs.

677
00:38:45,712 --> 00:38:47,713
One of them is the one I wrote about you.

678
00:38:55,107 --> 00:39:00,074
♪ I hear the patter of the rain ♪

679
00:39:01,828 --> 00:39:05,835
♪ Like a memory, it falls ♪

680
00:39:07,756 --> 00:39:13,766
♪ Continues soft and warm ♪

681
00:39:13,850 --> 00:39:19,069
♪ Touching my roof and walls ♪

682
00:39:22,116 --> 00:39:27,918
♪ From the refuge of my mind ♪

683
00:39:28,001 --> 00:39:32,760
♪ Through the window of my eyes ♪

684
00:39:32,843 --> 00:39:38,438
♪ I look beyond the rain-soaked streets ♪

685
00:39:38,522 --> 00:39:40,734
♪ To England ♪

686
00:39:40,818 --> 00:39:44,408
♪ Where my heart lies ♪

687
00:39:54,677 --> 00:39:57,274
During this whole period
while you come and go,

688
00:39:57,354 --> 00:40:01,606
I became interested in this "Songbook"
album that has a photo of you and Kathy.

689
00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:04,445
- Yes, on the cover.
- Yes, but it's you.

690
00:40:04,529 --> 00:40:07,492
- They are not Simon and Garfunkel.
- No.

691
00:40:07,576 --> 00:40:11,709
♪ Write songs I can't believe ♪

692
00:40:11,792 --> 00:40:17,135
♪ With words that tear
and strive to rhyme ♪

693
00:40:17,218 --> 00:40:19,390
I wasn't even debating
whether I was going to

694
00:40:19,474 --> 00:40:22,062
be a solo artist because
I lived in England.

695
00:40:22,145 --> 00:40:24,483
Playing in folk clubs, doing it alone.

696
00:40:24,566 --> 00:40:27,822
And the experiment with Artie

697
00:40:27,906 --> 00:40:30,159
singing was, at the time, a failure.

698
00:40:30,242 --> 00:40:33,750
♪ So, you see, I have come to doubt ♪

699
00:40:36,088 --> 00:40:40,680
♪ Everything I once held true ♪

700
00:40:40,764 --> 00:40:46,524
♪ I am alone without beliefs ♪

701
00:40:46,607 --> 00:40:51,533
♪ The only truth I know is you ♪

702
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,751
It was just a unique period of freedom.

703
00:40:56,835 --> 00:41:01,135
You know, I loved it. I was 23,

704
00:41:01,218 --> 00:41:02,762
24 years old, no responsibilities.

705
00:41:02,846 --> 00:41:05,893
And here I am doing
exactly what I want to do.

706
00:41:05,977 --> 00:41:12,406
♪ I know I'm like the rain ♪

707
00:41:12,489 --> 00:41:17,790
♪ There, but by your grace I go ♪

708
00:42:03,251 --> 00:42:09,178
♪ Oh, sun at my door ♪

709
00:42:09,262 --> 00:42:12,351
♪ I'm surprised to find ♪

710
00:42:12,434 --> 00:42:16,358
♪ I'm a kid hooked again ♪

711
00:42:16,441 --> 00:42:19,363
It shouldn't be like this.
I can play that better

712
00:42:19,446 --> 00:42:22,120
- and relate it to what is happening.
- Well.

713
00:42:44,829 --> 00:42:48,001
- It was ok?
- Yes, the last one was great.

714
00:42:48,585 --> 00:42:51,006
- Okay, then play that.
- Yeah.

715
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,428
I know I have more control over it, so...

716
00:43:08,706 --> 00:43:12,171
♪ Your love and your light ♪

717
00:43:14,384 --> 00:43:20,978
♪ In your cool summer shade ♪

718
00:43:27,075 --> 00:43:31,666
♪ The garden keeps a rose and a thorn ♪

719
00:43:33,293 --> 00:43:37,260
♪ And once the choice is made ♪

720
00:43:39,931 --> 00:43:44,691
♪ All that's left is ♪

721
00:43:44,774 --> 00:43:48,781
♪ Repairing what was broken ♪

722
00:43:48,865 --> 00:43:54,041
♪ Love is like a braid ♪

723
00:43:54,125 --> 00:44:01,054
♪ Love is like a braid ♪

724
00:44:15,372 --> 00:44:19,964
Ah!

725
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:22,928
It's good to see you, darling.

726
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:28,189
Yes, how are you?

727
00:44:28,272 --> 00:44:29,775
Good good. No complaints.

728
00:44:29,858 --> 00:44:31,152
- Are you?
- Yeah.

729
00:44:31,237 --> 00:44:32,363
Thanks for coming.

730
00:44:32,446 --> 00:44:34,867
Man, come on, you know.

731
00:44:34,951 --> 00:44:36,737
Where are you?
I'll walk to Hawaii for you.

732
00:44:36,821 --> 00:44:37,922
You tell me.

733
00:44:38,207 --> 00:44:40,043
So... what are we talking about?

734
00:44:40,126 --> 00:44:41,797
Where are we with the "Psalms"?

735
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,884
Do you want to play it
all from start to finish?

736
00:44:43,967 --> 00:44:45,554
Put it all in. Yes, don't stop.

737
00:44:45,637 --> 00:44:47,140
We won't stop. Well, well.

738
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:56,685
Paul and I talked about
"Seven Psalms" just as an

739
00:44:56,765 --> 00:44:59,664
idea before he started
working on it, you know?

740
00:44:59,747 --> 00:45:02,210
We were talking about the Bible.

741
00:45:02,293 --> 00:45:04,305
We were talking about a mystical

742
00:45:04,388 --> 00:45:07,212
tradition of a troubadour's song,

743
00:45:07,596 --> 00:45:09,241
the mystical meaning of seven.

744
00:45:09,321 --> 00:45:12,021
You know, on the seventh
day, the Lord rested.

745
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:20,703
♪ Thinking about the great migration ♪

746
00:45:20,786 --> 00:45:22,039
We met years ago.

747
00:45:22,122 --> 00:45:25,378
We did a benefit. This was in 2002.

748
00:45:25,462 --> 00:45:28,761
I did a terrible arrangement
of "I'll Take Manhattan."

749
00:45:28,844 --> 00:45:33,310
It wasn't a particularly good
musical experience for me.

750
00:45:33,393 --> 00:45:35,606
Man, it was...

751
00:45:35,689 --> 00:45:37,985
Although he seemed very calm about it.

752
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:41,325
He sang and did his
thing, but I didn't help him.

753
00:45:41,408 --> 00:45:42,611
One two three.

754
00:45:42,894 --> 00:45:44,246
So we didn't become friends.

755
00:45:44,331 --> 00:45:47,097
We became friends when he asked me to

756
00:45:47,177 --> 00:45:50,676
do a fundraiser for
Jazz at Lincoln Center.

757
00:45:50,759 --> 00:45:54,265
After that, we started
collaborating over the years.

758
00:45:55,351 --> 00:45:56,938
♪ Big and fat ♪

759
00:45:57,021 --> 00:46:00,486
You kind of reinvented that song
on the In the Blue Light album.

760
00:46:00,569 --> 00:46:02,322
"Pigs, sheep and wolves", yes.

761
00:46:02,407 --> 00:46:03,991
♪ Sleep on straw ♪

762
00:46:04,075 --> 00:46:05,310
Like an arranger, you always want to

763
00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:08,024
try to do what someone wants you to do.

764
00:46:08,108 --> 00:46:09,783
♪ He's walking down the street ♪

765
00:46:09,863 --> 00:46:13,135
And with this, it was like it
was a New Orleans thing.

766
00:46:13,218 --> 00:46:15,121
♪ It's half a ton of pork ♪

767
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:18,477
♪ Up in the hills ♪

768
00:46:18,561 --> 00:46:20,732
♪ Above the farm ♪

769
00:46:20,815 --> 00:46:22,861
♪ There lives a pack of wolves ♪

770
00:46:22,944 --> 00:46:24,588
Playing music is such a spiritual

771
00:46:24,672 --> 00:46:26,242
thing that when you play with someone,

772
00:46:26,325 --> 00:46:28,256
Most things don't get
talked about, you know?

773
00:46:28,336 --> 00:46:29,416
You are listening to it.

774
00:46:29,499 --> 00:46:31,335
♪ Hunt until 4:00 ♪

775
00:46:31,419 --> 00:46:33,672
♪ Maybe I'll catch a couple of rodents ♪

776
00:46:33,756 --> 00:46:37,179
♪ You know, a carnivore ♪

777
00:46:37,263 --> 00:46:41,187
♪ Sheep in the meadow
nibbling on a clover ♪

778
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:44,359
I really pay attention to
what he says musically.

779
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,576
And I often think that
when I'm working on

780
00:46:48,658 --> 00:46:50,872
something and I'm changing
a voice or something,

781
00:46:50,955 --> 00:46:52,625
"Would Wynton like this?"

782
00:46:52,708 --> 00:46:56,048
♪ Candlelight vigils
and behavior protests ♪

783
00:46:56,131 --> 00:46:57,718
♪ It's animal behavior ♪

784
00:46:57,802 --> 00:46:59,054
Hey.

785
00:46:59,137 --> 00:47:02,060
♪ It's animal behavior ♪

786
00:47:02,143 --> 00:47:03,479
♪ Animal behavior ♪

787
00:47:03,562 --> 00:47:05,625
♪ They are pigs, sheep and wolves ♪

788
00:47:05,705 --> 00:47:08,790
When I had the opportunity
to really talk to him

789
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:11,661
and we sat outside of
the context of the music,

790
00:47:11,744 --> 00:47:14,082
- We had a lot to talk about.
- Like what?

791
00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:17,088
Man, like being divorced,

792
00:47:17,171 --> 00:47:19,758
having children, not being married,

793
00:47:19,842 --> 00:47:21,762
race relations in the United States,

794
00:47:21,846 --> 00:47:23,474
New Orleans and New York,

795
00:47:23,558 --> 00:47:27,309
Elvis Presley and
rock and roll, black and

796
00:47:27,389 --> 00:47:29,708
white, politics, ayahuasca,
South American music,

797
00:47:29,788 --> 00:47:33,953
integrating with other cultures
and their music, being left-handed,

798
00:47:34,037 --> 00:47:36,623
being at your father's rehearsal
where you don't want to be,

799
00:47:36,707 --> 00:47:39,044
how to pay tribute to a generation before

800
00:47:39,129 --> 00:47:41,299
you, the direction our country will take.

801
00:47:41,383 --> 00:47:43,286
What level of participation should

802
00:47:43,369 --> 00:47:45,140
artists have with political issues?

803
00:47:45,223 --> 00:47:47,144
What is it like to travel?

804
00:47:47,227 --> 00:47:49,815
What do you learn from
musicians from other cultures?

805
00:47:50,298 --> 00:47:52,136
What does it take to write a song?

806
00:47:52,219 --> 00:47:53,638
What do you think of baroque music?

807
00:47:53,722 --> 00:47:57,496
What is the position of Bach versus the
position of Beethoven in European music?

808
00:47:57,580 --> 00:48:00,418
How much music did Duke
Ellington write in 1962?

809
00:48:00,502 --> 00:48:03,549
What was it like when Goodman
was killed in Mississippi?

810
00:48:03,633 --> 00:48:05,473
African American music
and Anglo-Celtic music,

811
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:06,512
where are they found?

812
00:48:08,182 --> 00:48:11,396
It goes on and on, man,
and not everyone agrees.

813
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,735
That's what makes it so good.

814
00:48:13,818 --> 00:48:15,505
Without friction, you have no movement.

815
00:48:17,618 --> 00:48:20,121
The universe was created with an explosion.

816
00:48:20,205 --> 00:48:22,209
And, man, everything
came from that friction.

817
00:48:24,797 --> 00:48:26,926
His music is always about that.

818
00:48:36,068 --> 00:48:39,951
About a year after its
launch, in 1965, radio

819
00:48:40,034 --> 00:48:42,789
stations were beginning
to receive requests.

820
00:48:42,872 --> 00:48:45,252
for "The Sound of Silence."

821
00:48:45,335 --> 00:48:47,673
So while I was in England,

822
00:48:47,757 --> 00:48:50,636
Tom Wilson returned to the studio and

823
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:54,144
overdubbed electric
instruments and drums.

824
00:48:54,227 --> 00:48:57,442
to the acoustic version with the same

825
00:48:57,525 --> 00:48:59,446
musicians used in the Dylan sessions

826
00:48:59,529 --> 00:49:02,284
when Dylan went electric.

827
00:49:02,367 --> 00:49:06,666
They sent it to me, I
listened to it and said, okay.

828
00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:08,545
Were you, or were
you, were you initially?

829
00:49:08,628 --> 00:49:10,048
Weren't you upset at first?

830
00:49:10,131 --> 00:49:11,968
No, no, I wasn't upset.

831
00:49:12,052 --> 00:49:15,723
The thing about Tom Wilson
is that when he suggested

832
00:49:15,803 --> 00:49:18,732
something, you thought it was
good because it was so cool.

833
00:49:18,815 --> 00:49:21,027
It was like, yeah, try again, cool.

834
00:49:21,110 --> 00:49:22,655
What do I have to lose?

835
00:49:22,739 --> 00:49:28,207
♪ Within the sound of silence ♪

836
00:49:28,291 --> 00:49:33,175
♪ In restless dreams, I walked alone ♪

837
00:49:33,258 --> 00:49:37,558
♪ Narrow cobblestone streets ♪

838
00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:41,732
♪ Under the halo of a streetlight ♪

839
00:49:41,817 --> 00:49:45,240
♪ I turn my neck
towards the cold and wet ♪

840
00:49:45,323 --> 00:49:47,368
And it started to become a success.

841
00:49:47,452 --> 00:49:53,379
♪ My eyes were stabbed
by the flash of a neon light ♪

842
00:49:53,462 --> 00:49:56,719
♪ That divided the night ♪

843
00:49:56,803 --> 00:49:58,222
♪ And he played the sound ♪

844
00:49:58,305 --> 00:49:59,767
The record continued to rise.

845
00:49:59,851 --> 00:50:01,311
♪ Of silence ♪

846
00:50:01,395 --> 00:50:03,365
And Columbia wanted
me to return to the US.

847
00:50:03,449 --> 00:50:08,115
And a week after I came
back, it went to number one.

848
00:50:08,198 --> 00:50:12,582
And I said to myself, my
life has changed irrevocably.

849
00:50:12,665 --> 00:50:16,339
♪ People talking without talking ♪

850
00:50:16,423 --> 00:50:20,764
♪ People who hear without listening ♪

851
00:50:20,848 --> 00:50:24,103
♪ People writing songs ♪

852
00:50:24,187 --> 00:50:28,361
♪ Those voices never shared ♪

853
00:50:28,445 --> 00:50:31,618
♪ Nobody dared ♪

854
00:50:31,701 --> 00:50:34,331
♪ Disturb the sound ♪

855
00:50:34,414 --> 00:50:37,670
♪ Of silence ♪

856
00:50:37,754 --> 00:50:42,137
♪ Fools, I said, you don't know ♪

857
00:50:42,221 --> 00:50:46,562
♪ Silence grows like a cancer ♪

858
00:50:46,646 --> 00:50:48,490
♪ Listen to my words
that I could teach you ♪

859
00:50:50,488 --> 00:50:54,461
Your music has become
ubiquitous everywhere.

860
00:50:54,745 --> 00:50:56,665
It's in elevators.
It's in the supermarkets.

861
00:50:56,748 --> 00:50:59,366
Now, how do you react when
you hear it in an elevator?

862
00:50:59,447 --> 00:51:01,307
- And he does it...
- I love it in an elevator.

863
00:51:01,390 --> 00:51:02,785
...Milwaukee Strings or anyone?

864
00:51:02,869 --> 00:51:03,869
That...

865
00:51:03,946 --> 00:51:07,268
I like it in the elevator. I
really do. I'm not kidding.

866
00:51:07,352 --> 00:51:09,397
I like to listen to it there.

867
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,493
The most fun thing
about listening to your

868
00:51:11,573 --> 00:51:13,262
music is when you walk down the street,

869
00:51:13,346 --> 00:51:14,865
and you hear someone hum it

870
00:51:14,949 --> 00:51:16,369
walking in the opposite direction.

871
00:51:16,452 --> 00:51:18,541
- Yes. Yes.
- That is a tremendous emotion.

872
00:51:18,624 --> 00:51:22,047
Actually, it's a privilege,
you know, to be...

873
00:51:22,131 --> 00:51:27,383
being in a position
where people like what you

874
00:51:27,463 --> 00:51:31,063
do and accept what
you do, eh, to that point.

875
00:51:31,147 --> 00:51:32,649
It's a privilege.

876
00:51:32,733 --> 00:51:35,739
♪ Dee-doo-doo-doo, dee-da-dum ♪

877
00:51:35,822 --> 00:51:37,325
♪ Doo-dee-da-dum ♪

878
00:51:37,408 --> 00:51:39,329
♪ Dee-dee-dee-dee ♪

879
00:51:39,412 --> 00:51:41,416
If the pure protest
song never had a great

880
00:51:41,499 --> 00:51:44,431
commercial success
in the field of pop songs,

881
00:51:44,511 --> 00:51:46,968
a pair of folk rock
singers known collectively

882
00:51:47,052 --> 00:51:49,765
as Simon and Garfunkel did it with a guy

883
00:51:49,848 --> 00:51:52,019
different from commentary on society.

884
00:51:52,102 --> 00:51:56,151
♪ fool ♪

885
00:51:56,234 --> 00:51:58,678
Paul Simon, team composer, and Art

886
00:51:58,758 --> 00:52:02,372
Garfunkel, vocal and
instrumental arranger,

887
00:52:02,456 --> 00:52:04,542
They are song makers in a real sense

888
00:52:04,626 --> 00:52:06,797
by virtue of performance and packaging.

889
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,133
his own musical compositions.

890
00:52:09,218 --> 00:52:12,808
♪ Doo-dee-da-dum ♪

891
00:52:12,891 --> 00:52:16,064
I want the sound to be like the one you

892
00:52:16,147 --> 00:52:19,362
play, it's like you have a bag of hops...

893
00:52:19,445 --> 00:52:23,203
What is the name of that material that you
wrap like flour in large boxes of flour?

894
00:52:23,285 --> 00:52:25,039
And it should be like...

895
00:52:25,123 --> 00:52:28,337
a knife cuts it and
then the flour spills out.

896
00:52:28,421 --> 00:52:31,342
♪ I will not disturb your sleep ♪

897
00:52:31,426 --> 00:52:33,346
♪ Of feelings that have died ♪

898
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:35,434
These are popular songs as they

899
00:52:35,517 --> 00:52:37,688
are heard and known by the public.

900
00:52:37,771 --> 00:52:40,568
through records and
personal performances.

901
00:52:40,651 --> 00:52:42,697
How are they made?

902
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:46,245
What does the creation
of a popular song entail?

903
00:52:47,999 --> 00:52:49,585
Can you hold it for a second?

904
00:52:49,668 --> 00:52:52,632
I just want to record
this so you can hear it.

905
00:52:52,716 --> 00:52:54,760
One, two, three, two.

906
00:53:00,313 --> 00:53:03,561
After “Sound of Silence” was a hit,

907
00:53:03,641 --> 00:53:05,949
we went in and recorded the songs.

908
00:53:06,033 --> 00:53:09,413
which he had written
when he was in England.

909
00:53:09,497 --> 00:53:12,503
Paul has his hands full
writing the songs. Am...

910
00:53:12,586 --> 00:53:15,460
I rarely do anything more
than react to the lyrics and

911
00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:17,803
music that Paul comes up
with, although occasionally,

912
00:53:17,888 --> 00:53:20,309
I prefer a letter change because I'm...

913
00:53:20,392 --> 00:53:23,078
because I'm thinking about
the harmony I want to use,

914
00:53:23,158 --> 00:53:25,381
and I know that a melodic
change will work better for me.

915
00:53:25,401 --> 00:53:29,033
I was on an existential kick for a while.

916
00:53:29,117 --> 00:53:31,956
I wrote a song called "Patterns."

917
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:36,286
I became concerned that our lives

918
00:53:36,366 --> 00:53:40,053
were divided into so many patterns

919
00:53:40,136 --> 00:53:43,310
over which we had no control.

920
00:53:43,394 --> 00:53:47,653
The color of your skin, the fact
that you die, what your name is.

921
00:53:48,737 --> 00:53:50,812
That song should
produce in the listener a

922
00:53:50,892 --> 00:53:53,746
feeling of involvement
and then catharsis.

923
00:53:56,626 --> 00:54:01,343
Tom Wilson left Columbia and went to MGM.

924
00:54:01,427 --> 00:54:04,350
So Roy Halee became our engineer.

925
00:54:04,434 --> 00:54:06,563
- You're recording.
- Let's go.

926
00:54:06,646 --> 00:54:09,860
One, two, one, two, three.

927
00:54:15,704 --> 00:54:19,419
And since then he stayed with us.

928
00:54:21,048 --> 00:54:23,803
Roy, Artie and I made those records.

929
00:54:25,473 --> 00:54:28,311
He had that artistic temperament.

930
00:54:28,394 --> 00:54:31,901
You know, Roy could take
a control room and do it well.

931
00:54:31,984 --> 00:54:35,407
He was just a super qualified technician.

932
00:54:35,492 --> 00:54:38,664
He also had a great ear, you know?

933
00:54:38,747 --> 00:54:41,784
Roy was a wonderful
engineer who thought about

934
00:54:41,864 --> 00:54:45,009
sounds the moment he
started listening to songs.

935
00:54:45,093 --> 00:54:48,140
and so he became a co-producer because he

936
00:54:48,224 --> 00:54:50,937
did more than just make clean recordings.

937
00:54:51,020 --> 00:54:54,443
He made creative sound collages.

938
00:54:54,527 --> 00:54:57,949
I think of him as the third
member of our triumvirate.

939
00:54:59,043 --> 00:55:00,621
You know, we're workaholics.

940
00:55:00,705 --> 00:55:01,907
We are shooting on the 11th.

941
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:03,836
He made me do so many takes, you know?

942
00:55:03,919 --> 00:55:05,381
This is with the fingers now.

943
00:55:05,464 --> 00:55:07,176
Good.

944
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:09,171
I would say, how was that?
That's a good one.

945
00:55:09,255 --> 00:55:11,892
He said, "It is. It's good.
It's... it's good."

946
00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:13,375
I was like, "Well, isn't that good?"

947
00:55:13,395 --> 00:55:15,766
Oh, no, no, no, it's a little out of tune.

948
00:55:15,850 --> 00:55:17,561
but really nothing you couldn't...

949
00:55:17,645 --> 00:55:19,541
Okay, I'll do it again.

950
00:55:19,824 --> 00:55:21,667
I made a mistake. Let's try again.

951
00:55:21,747 --> 00:55:23,205
- What happened?
- I made a mistake.

952
00:55:23,289 --> 00:55:24,966
- Vocally?
- Deep breathing.

953
00:55:27,505 --> 00:55:28,841
Let's see what this is.

954
00:55:28,924 --> 00:55:32,152
To my surprise, I didn't even
know these things still existed.

955
00:55:32,232 --> 00:55:34,018
I thought they lost these things.

956
00:55:34,101 --> 00:55:37,858
No, they have the "Bridge" multitracks.

957
00:55:37,941 --> 00:55:40,279
It's pretty amazing
that this still exists.

958
00:55:44,953 --> 00:55:47,417
Roy, he truly was an innovator.

959
00:55:47,502 --> 00:55:51,926
We continue to fall into
adventures and discoveries.

960
00:55:59,147 --> 00:56:01,568
"Cecilia" was just a
rhythm track, about a

961
00:56:01,652 --> 00:56:04,741
minute and 15 seconds
long, and it looped.

962
00:56:04,825 --> 00:56:09,647
We literally made a
tape loop with two or three

963
00:56:09,727 --> 00:56:12,464
machines, and we just kept
going around and around.

964
00:56:16,179 --> 00:56:20,145
♪ 'Cecilia, you are breaking my heart ♪

965
00:56:20,229 --> 00:56:22,441
The vocal sound of Simon and Garfunkel...

966
00:56:22,525 --> 00:56:25,196
Roy invented that, you know?

967
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,122
♪ Oh, Cecilia, I'm on my knees ♪

968
00:56:30,205 --> 00:56:32,669
We were both singing into
a microphone close enough

969
00:56:32,752 --> 00:56:35,107
to each other that we
could really blend together.

970
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:36,368
Let's take another one.

971
00:56:37,052 --> 00:56:39,581
Play me a little and I'll
take the tempo again.

972
00:56:40,934 --> 00:56:43,898
I would capture that
mix a couple of times...

973
00:56:43,981 --> 00:56:48,197
♪ You are shaking my confidence daily ♪

974
00:56:48,282 --> 00:56:50,828
♪ Oh, Cecilia ♪

975
00:56:50,912 --> 00:56:54,084
...have multiple tracks that
you combined in the mix.

976
00:56:54,168 --> 00:56:57,213
♪ I beg you please come home ♪

977
00:56:57,298 --> 00:57:00,846
♪ Oh, Cecilia ♪

978
00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:03,100
♪ You're breaking my heart ♪

979
00:57:03,184 --> 00:57:07,567
♪ You are shaking my confidence daily ♪

980
00:57:07,651 --> 00:57:09,864
As soon as you heard
that, it was like, there it is.

981
00:57:09,948 --> 00:57:15,122
♪ Oh, Cecilia, I'm on my knees ♪

982
00:57:15,206 --> 00:57:19,047
♪ I beg you please come home ♪

983
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:20,926
♪ Come home ♪

984
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:31,946
In "The Boxer", that's the drum that

985
00:57:32,029 --> 00:57:35,745
Roy recorded in the elevator shaft.

986
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:38,291
It was probably eight floors that put the

987
00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:40,587
drummer at the bottom
of the elevator shaft.

988
00:57:40,671 --> 00:57:41,923
♪ Lie-la-lie ♪

989
00:57:42,007 --> 00:57:44,093
♪ Lie-la-lie ♪

990
00:57:44,176 --> 00:57:46,264
♪ Lie-la-lie-la, lie-la-lie ♪

991
00:57:46,347 --> 00:57:48,935
♪ La-la-lie-la-lie ♪

992
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:51,817
♪ Lie-la-lie-la, lie-la-lie ♪

993
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:55,075
The horns and the things that come

994
00:57:55,155 --> 00:57:57,453
at the end were recorded in Saint Paul.

995
00:58:13,065 --> 00:58:16,246
"The Only Living Boy in
New York," the harmonies,

996
00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:20,244
we overdubbed seven
times inside an echo chamber.

997
00:58:22,248 --> 00:58:29,177
♪ Here I am ♪

998
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:38,355
♪ me, me ♪

999
00:58:43,871 --> 00:58:48,630
♪ The only living child in New York ♪

1000
00:58:48,714 --> 00:58:51,262
♪ The only living child in New York ♪

1001
00:58:55,227 --> 00:58:58,007
When we were working on
“Bridge Over Troubled Water,” the

1002
00:58:58,091 --> 00:59:02,991
song, we spent two or three
days arranging the piano part.

1003
00:59:03,074 --> 00:59:08,084
We added the bass, strings and drums.

1004
00:59:08,168 --> 00:59:12,092
And Roy was the first to
take two 8-track machines

1005
00:59:12,176 --> 00:59:15,264
and synchronize them and
record them on 16 tracks.

1006
00:59:15,347 --> 00:59:18,437
But one day, when I walked
in, he said, "Listen to this.

1007
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,757
"You won't believe what happened here."

1008
00:59:27,037 --> 00:59:29,957
The two machines
were slightly out of sync.

1009
00:59:30,041 --> 00:59:32,295
So for the battery...

1010
00:59:38,725 --> 00:59:40,311
...instead of listening...

1011
00:59:40,394 --> 00:59:43,317
Did you hear...

1012
00:59:46,822 --> 00:59:53,211
♪ Like a bridge over turbulent waters ♪

1013
00:59:53,294 --> 00:59:59,722
That rhythmic beat at
the end was an accident

1014
00:59:59,806 --> 01:00:03,354
that he heard and like any
good musician, he knew,

1015
01:00:03,437 --> 01:00:05,233
"Ah, I can take
advantage of this accident."

1016
01:00:05,316 --> 01:00:06,610
This is great.

1017
01:00:06,694 --> 01:00:08,405
I was very excited.

1018
01:00:16,796 --> 01:00:20,303
Okay, I'm going to record this now
so you can listen to it when I call back.

1019
01:00:20,386 --> 01:00:22,598
We will continue playing it
so you can get your ideas.

1020
01:00:23,579 --> 01:00:25,581
Move your chair a little, I
want to be more focused

1021
01:00:25,661 --> 01:00:27,662
Well, now you will be more focused

1022
01:00:40,424 --> 01:00:42,636
♪ You're going... ♪

1023
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:48,104
♪ to Scarborough fair ♪

1024
01:00:48,188 --> 01:00:51,151
♪ Parsley, sage, rosemary ♪

1025
01:00:51,234 --> 01:00:56,704
♪ And thyme ♪

1026
01:00:56,788 --> 01:00:59,710
♪ Remember me ♪

1027
01:00:59,794 --> 01:01:04,218
♪ To whoever lives there ♪

1028
01:01:04,301 --> 01:01:06,722
♪ She once was ♪

1029
01:01:06,806 --> 01:01:11,481
♪ a true love of mine ♪

1030
01:01:11,565 --> 01:01:13,235
How did you get involved in The Graduate?

1031
01:01:13,318 --> 01:01:14,384
How did the idea come about?

1032
01:01:14,404 --> 01:01:15,989
Mike Nichols called.

1033
01:01:16,074 --> 01:01:18,228
And then I was in the
middle of the movie.

1034
01:01:18,308 --> 01:01:21,835
It was almost finished and he
convinced us to do the music.

1035
01:01:21,918 --> 01:01:26,092
And the music was supposed
to be mostly original music.

1036
01:01:26,175 --> 01:01:30,517
♪ Sparrow tracking in
snow-covered terrain ♪

1037
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:36,194
♪ Without sewing or work ♪

1038
01:01:36,278 --> 01:01:38,783
♪ The mountain boy ♪

1039
01:01:38,867 --> 01:01:42,123
♪ Then she will be a true love of mine ♪

1040
01:01:42,206 --> 01:01:44,542
I got to work on it and a

1041
01:01:44,622 --> 01:01:46,619
few months later Mike said:

1042
01:01:46,699 --> 01:01:50,471
"You know, we've been
using your music as a temp

1043
01:01:50,554 --> 01:01:53,100
track, but it's so good
that I think we really want to

1044
01:01:53,184 --> 01:01:56,064
keep it in the movie as it is."

1045
01:02:02,494 --> 01:02:07,794
♪ April, come she ♪

1046
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,184
♪ When the streams are
ripe and swollen with the rain ♪

1047
01:02:15,267 --> 01:02:20,653
♪ May, she will stay ♪

1048
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:26,497
♪ Resting in my arms again ♪

1049
01:02:27,958 --> 01:02:30,128
Listen to me.

1050
01:02:30,212 --> 01:02:32,600
I am Dr. Smith's brother, Reverend Smith.

1051
01:02:32,683 --> 01:02:34,686
And I'm supposed to perform the ceremony.

1052
01:02:34,769 --> 01:02:37,977
I just got back from Portland
and I forgot which church, see?

1053
01:02:38,060 --> 01:02:39,589
Oh well, I'm not sure, but

1054
01:02:39,669 --> 01:02:42,318
you could try First Presbyterian.

1055
01:02:42,402 --> 01:02:45,324
- That's on Allen Street.
- Thank you.

1056
01:02:45,408 --> 01:02:47,744
Allen Street, where is it?

1057
01:02:47,828 --> 01:02:50,082
Allen, uh, it's, uh...

1058
01:02:50,165 --> 01:02:53,755
The only new song he
picked up was "Mrs. Robinson."

1059
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:56,678
which was incomplete
at the time of filming.

1060
01:02:56,761 --> 01:02:58,264
Do you need gas, father?

1061
01:03:04,610 --> 01:03:06,739
"Mrs. Robinson" was invented on the spot.

1062
01:03:06,822 --> 01:03:08,582
It was originally supposed to be a...

1063
01:03:08,663 --> 01:03:11,372
That was a chase scene
and they wanted guitar music.

1064
01:03:11,456 --> 01:03:12,791
And I was playing, huh...

1065
01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:14,355
Oh, I didn't know what I was playing.

1066
01:03:14,378 --> 01:03:16,791
I was just riffing on
the guitar, and I...

1067
01:03:19,804 --> 01:03:20,890
I was doing this.

1068
01:03:29,865 --> 01:03:32,828
And I had been fooling around
with a song that was, uh...

1069
01:03:32,912 --> 01:03:35,793
I was singing...

1070
01:03:35,876 --> 01:03:38,673
♪ And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson ♪

1071
01:03:38,756 --> 01:03:41,042
♪ Jesus loves you more than you will know ♪

1072
01:03:41,122 --> 01:03:43,482
Without any specific reason.
I didn't have anything in mind.

1073
01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:45,269
Did that just occur to you?

1074
01:03:45,353 --> 01:03:46,973
Yeah, boy, just in my head.

1075
01:03:47,057 --> 01:03:48,274
♪ Wait, wait, wait ♪

1076
01:03:48,358 --> 01:03:49,752
And then the next line was...

1077
01:03:49,835 --> 01:03:53,367
♪ God bless you, please, Mrs. Roosevelt ♪

1078
01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:55,956
♪ Heaven has a place for those who pray ♪

1079
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:58,210
It was Mrs. Roosevelt, and then

1080
01:03:58,293 --> 01:04:00,716
she said, uh, well, we could just...

1081
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:03,351
That would change the
plot of the movie a lot, right?

1082
01:04:03,435 --> 01:04:04,435
Yeah.

1083
01:04:07,477 --> 01:04:11,046
Since there was nothing
but that chorus and no lyrics,

1084
01:04:11,126 --> 01:04:14,073
and we made it up on
the spot, we sang, uh, uh...

1085
01:04:16,453 --> 01:04:18,914
♪ Ba, dee, dee-dee-dee-dee-dee ♪

1086
01:04:18,998 --> 01:04:21,044
♪ Dee-dee-dee-dee, dee-dee-dee ♪

1087
01:04:23,132 --> 01:04:25,928
♪ Dee, dee-dee-dee-dee-dee, dee-dee-dee ♪

1088
01:04:28,684 --> 01:04:34,444
♪ Dee, dee-dee-dee-dee-dee,
dee-dee-dee-dee, dee-dee-dee ♪

1089
01:04:34,527 --> 01:04:38,034
♪ Dee-dee-dee-dee, dee-dee-dee ♪

1090
01:04:38,117 --> 01:04:41,958
♪ And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson ♪

1091
01:04:42,043 --> 01:04:44,714
♪ Jesus loves you more than you will know ♪

1092
01:04:44,798 --> 01:04:47,594
♪ Wait, wait, wait ♪

1093
01:04:47,678 --> 01:04:50,933
♪ Get up, Mrs. Robinson ♪

1094
01:04:51,017 --> 01:04:55,066
♪ God in heaven smiles on those who pray ♪

1095
01:04:55,149 --> 01:04:57,737
♪ Hey hey hey ♪

1096
01:04:57,822 --> 01:04:59,282
♪ Hey hey hey ♪

1097
01:05:06,337 --> 01:05:08,925
We had a little booth and we watched.

1098
01:05:09,009 --> 01:05:11,012
And, like, when the car slows down,

1099
01:05:11,096 --> 01:05:13,267
I'm playing live to see the image.

1100
01:05:28,921 --> 01:05:30,717
I ran into Mel Brooks the other day.

1101
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,136
Yeah.

1102
01:05:32,219 --> 01:05:36,351
He said he had no idea how
miserable that song had made his life.

1103
01:05:36,435 --> 01:05:37,646
Oh really.

1104
01:05:38,129 --> 01:05:39,649
- Yes.
- His wife is Annie Bancroft.

1105
01:05:39,733 --> 01:05:41,088
That's right, his wife, right.

1106
01:05:41,611 --> 01:05:43,364
Elaine!

1107
01:05:44,076 --> 01:05:45,578
- Elaine!
- I'll take care of him.

1108
01:05:45,661 --> 01:05:46,830
It's already too late.

1109
01:05:46,914 --> 01:05:49,167
So wherever they went, it's...

1110
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:51,004
♪ Yoo-hoo-hoo, Mrs... ♪

1111
01:05:51,087 --> 01:05:52,673
Yeah.

1112
01:05:52,757 --> 01:05:55,930
♪ And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson ♪

1113
01:05:56,013 --> 01:05:59,771
♪ Jesus loves you more than you will know ♪

1114
01:05:59,854 --> 01:06:01,900
♪ Wait, wait, wait ♪

1115
01:06:01,983 --> 01:06:05,448
♪ God bless you, please, Mrs. Robinson ♪

1116
01:06:05,531 --> 01:06:09,372
♪ Heaven has a place for those who pray ♪

1117
01:06:09,455 --> 01:06:11,751
♪ Hey hey hey ♪

1118
01:06:11,834 --> 01:06:12,920
♪ Hey hey hey ♪

1119
01:06:17,387 --> 01:06:20,934
♪ Hide it in a place
where no one ever goes ♪

1120
01:06:23,146 --> 01:06:25,820
♪ Put it in your pantry
with your cupcakes ♪

1121
01:06:27,991 --> 01:06:33,584
♪ It's a little secret,
just the Robinson thing ♪

1122
01:06:33,668 --> 01:06:36,923
♪ Above all you have to
hide it from the children ♪

1123
01:06:37,007 --> 01:06:39,091
♪ Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio ♪

1124
01:06:39,171 --> 01:06:41,139
How did Joe DiMaggio get there?

1125
01:06:41,222 --> 01:06:43,000
Were you playing ball with Mrs.

1126
01:06:43,084 --> 01:06:45,640
Roosevelt in your mind or something or...?

1127
01:06:46,025 --> 01:06:51,451
It is very enjoyable to write in a
stream of consciousness style.

1128
01:06:51,534 --> 01:06:55,812
And, very often, you discover
that what you have in mind is

1129
01:06:55,892 --> 01:06:58,238
relevant, even if it doesn't
seem that way at the moment.

1130
01:06:58,321 --> 01:07:02,345
And as I was writing,
uh, I had no idea he'd say

1131
01:07:02,429 --> 01:07:05,517
that, but I said, "Where have
you gone, Joe DiMaggio?"

1132
01:07:05,601 --> 01:07:08,483
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you."

1133
01:07:08,566 --> 01:07:12,490
And then the next line, I didn't have
it, but I made one up and put it in.

1134
01:07:12,573 --> 01:07:15,204
And then I wondered what it meant.

1135
01:07:15,287 --> 01:07:18,710
And I said, well, it means something.

1136
01:07:18,794 --> 01:07:21,214
It will mean something.

1137
01:07:21,297 --> 01:07:24,553
♪ What is that you say, Mrs. Robinson? ♪

1138
01:07:24,637 --> 01:07:28,019
♪ Joltin' Joe is gone and gone ♪

1139
01:07:28,103 --> 01:07:32,277
♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey ♪

1140
01:07:47,807 --> 01:07:50,894
"Dear Art and Paul, consider this

1141
01:07:50,978 --> 01:07:53,149
your official invitation to appear.

1142
01:07:53,232 --> 01:07:55,821
at the Monterey
International Pop Festival

1143
01:07:55,904 --> 01:08:00,246
on one of the nights
of June 16, 17 or 18.

1144
01:08:00,329 --> 01:08:02,333
As described, it will act free of charge.

1145
01:08:03,502 --> 01:08:05,297
On the other hand, any transportation and

1146
01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:08,469
accommodation expenses
related to your attendance

1147
01:08:08,553 --> 01:08:11,016
They will be borne by
the festival commission.

1148
01:08:11,099 --> 01:08:14,982
Sincerely, Monterey
International Pop Festival."

1149
01:08:16,568 --> 01:08:20,326
♪ Slow down, you move too fast ♪

1150
01:08:20,409 --> 01:08:23,121
♪ You have to make the morning last ♪

1151
01:08:23,205 --> 01:08:26,669
♪ Just knocking down the cobblestones ♪

1152
01:08:26,753 --> 01:08:31,012
♪ Looking for fun and feeling great ♪

1153
01:08:31,094 --> 01:08:34,075
At Monterey Pop we were one of the

1154
01:08:34,155 --> 01:08:35,978
big acts and we closed the first night.

1155
01:08:36,064 --> 01:08:37,564
♪ I feel great ♪

1156
01:08:37,648 --> 01:08:40,571
But we were never part
of any of the movements.

1157
01:08:40,655 --> 01:08:42,241
♪ Hello streetlight ♪

1158
01:08:42,324 --> 01:08:44,078
♪ What you know ♪

1159
01:08:44,161 --> 01:08:47,040
♪ I come to see your flowers grow ♪

1160
01:08:47,124 --> 01:08:49,673
We weren't known as political people.

1161
01:08:49,756 --> 01:08:52,093
We weren't known as drug dealers.

1162
01:08:52,175 --> 01:08:53,886
♪ I feel great ♪

1163
01:08:53,970 --> 01:08:56,066
There were quite a few critics who

1164
01:08:56,148 --> 01:08:57,853
thought we were too square and cheesy.

1165
01:08:57,937 --> 01:09:01,945
♪ Da, da, da, da, feeling great ♪

1166
01:09:02,028 --> 01:09:04,949
Monterey is so cool, man.

1167
01:09:05,033 --> 01:09:07,512
This is something, man.
This is our generation, man.

1168
01:09:07,796 --> 01:09:09,742
Y'all, we're all together, man.

1169
01:09:09,826 --> 01:09:11,462
It's great, so look into it yourself.

1170
01:09:11,545 --> 01:09:13,132
None of the American acts were

1171
01:09:13,216 --> 01:09:15,094
anything like the English acts.

1172
01:09:15,177 --> 01:09:18,142
Nobody, not the Grateful
Dead, not Janis Joplin.

1173
01:09:18,225 --> 01:09:20,104
♪ Whoa Whoa ♪

1174
01:09:20,186 --> 01:09:24,068
Most of the people were hippies.

1175
01:09:24,152 --> 01:09:26,220
Nobody had ever seen anything like

1176
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:28,117
The Who, you know,
smashing their guitars.

1177
01:09:28,201 --> 01:09:29,829
I mean, I was embarrassed.

1178
01:09:29,912 --> 01:09:31,584
I used to think, God, when I was a kid,

1179
01:09:31,667 --> 01:09:34,464
I had to save up a lot to buy a guitar.

1180
01:09:34,547 --> 01:09:36,258
Do you know you're going to destroy it?

1181
01:09:40,015 --> 01:09:43,615
Hendrix, I don't know if
fire was part of his act the

1182
01:09:43,695 --> 01:09:46,277
whole time or not, but
things were getting wilder.

1183
01:09:47,863 --> 01:09:50,291
And we felt that we had to start

1184
01:09:50,372 --> 01:09:52,330
expressing what our generation felt.

1185
01:10:16,751 --> 01:10:19,506
♪ Kathy, I'm lost, I said ♪

1186
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:22,053
♪ Although I knew she was sleeping ♪

1187
01:10:24,765 --> 01:10:31,111
♪ I'm empty and hurt,
and I don't know why ♪

1188
01:10:31,194 --> 01:10:34,785
♪ Counting cars on the
New Jersey Turnpike ♪

1189
01:10:34,869 --> 01:10:41,755
♪ They are all coming to look for America ♪

1190
01:10:41,839 --> 01:10:48,477
♪ Everyone comes to find America ♪

1191
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,564
♪ Everyone comes ♪

1192
01:10:50,647 --> 01:10:53,111
Beethoven's 200th
birthday is approaching.

1193
01:10:53,195 --> 01:10:54,739
- Did you know that...?
- No.

1194
01:10:54,822 --> 01:10:57,827
1970 is 200 years.

1195
01:10:57,912 --> 01:11:00,791
Someone else's 200th
birthday is coming up soon.

1196
01:11:00,875 --> 01:11:02,336
- 200th birthday?
- Yeah.

1197
01:11:02,420 --> 01:11:04,131
- Who is that?
- USA.

1198
01:11:09,098 --> 01:11:10,434
Do you think it will arrive?

1199
01:11:13,105 --> 01:11:17,615
We were offered a special
with ATandT as a sponsor and

1200
01:11:17,698 --> 01:11:22,499
decided that the show
would have a political idea.

1201
01:11:22,582 --> 01:11:24,544
♪ I'm empty and hurt,
and I don't know why ♪

1202
01:11:24,627 --> 01:11:29,302
We didn't go in there looking for a fight.

1203
01:11:29,387 --> 01:11:31,515
We thought we were expressing

1204
01:11:31,598 --> 01:11:33,485
the simple truth of what is happening.

1205
01:11:33,569 --> 01:11:38,722
♪ They have all come to look for America ♪

1206
01:11:39,405 --> 01:11:42,744
As obvious as it is that we shouldn't

1207
01:11:42,828 --> 01:11:45,417
be in Vietnam or as obvious as it is

1208
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:48,093
that people are starving
in this country, until

1209
01:11:48,173 --> 01:11:51,761
they stop the war, until
they feed the people,

1210
01:11:51,845 --> 01:11:53,599
It is up to people to point it

1211
01:11:53,682 --> 01:11:55,769
out and continually remind us.

1212
01:11:57,940 --> 01:11:59,526
But really, the only thing I remember

1213
01:11:59,610 --> 01:12:02,240
about it is how naive we were.

1214
01:12:02,324 --> 01:12:05,580
that we thought everyone was liberal.

1215
01:12:05,663 --> 01:12:08,209
However, I believe that much of

1216
01:12:08,293 --> 01:12:10,546
what we say, if not all of what we say,

1217
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:13,051
It's extremely obvious.

1218
01:12:14,971 --> 01:12:18,437
♪ When you're tired ♪

1219
01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:24,740
♪ Feeling small ♪

1220
01:12:24,823 --> 01:12:26,744
♪ When the tears ♪

1221
01:12:26,827 --> 01:12:31,920
♪ be in your eyes ♪

1222
01:12:32,003 --> 01:12:36,429
♪ I will dry them all ♪

1223
01:12:36,513 --> 01:12:41,855
♪ Oh, I'm on your side ♪

1224
01:12:41,939 --> 01:12:43,651
During "Bridge Over
Troubled Water", which

1225
01:12:43,734 --> 01:12:47,199
was the first time it
was played anywhere,

1226
01:12:47,282 --> 01:12:53,962
We showed pictures of
Kennedy, the train, and

1227
01:12:54,045 --> 01:12:57,719
Bobby, and pictures
of Martin Luther King.

1228
01:12:57,802 --> 01:13:01,183
And the producer said, "You
can't just keep those three."

1229
01:13:01,267 --> 01:13:02,812
And we said, "Why?"

1230
01:13:02,895 --> 01:13:04,781
And they said, "Well,
they're all Democrats."

1231
01:13:04,865 --> 01:13:06,485
And we were like, “Really?

1232
01:13:06,569 --> 01:13:09,323
"We think they were all killed."

1233
01:13:09,407 --> 01:13:15,877
♪ Like a bridge over turbulent waters ♪

1234
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,757
Why am I going to make this album?

1235
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,844
What is the goal of this album?

1236
01:13:19,927 --> 01:13:22,348
The world is falling apart.

1237
01:13:22,432 --> 01:13:25,354
Chaos, what the hell is this all about?

1238
01:13:36,332 --> 01:13:39,422
Time has changed all those

1239
01:13:39,506 --> 01:13:42,260
songs, also in a very interesting way.

1240
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,232
You turn all this around and look
at it from a different perspective.

1241
01:13:49,315 --> 01:13:51,236
Like "Bridge Over Troubled Waters."

1242
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:55,409
that became more than just a pop song.

1243
01:14:01,254 --> 01:14:04,970
♪ Sail away, silver boy ♪

1244
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,023
♪ Browse ♪

1245
01:14:13,526 --> 01:14:15,530
♪ Your time has come ♪

1246
01:14:17,951 --> 01:14:20,875
♪ Shine ♪

1247
01:14:20,958 --> 01:14:24,798
♪ All your dreams are on the way ♪

1248
01:14:24,882 --> 01:14:28,471
- ♪ All you have to do is ♪
- ♪ See how they shine ♪

1249
01:14:28,555 --> 01:14:33,314
♪ Look how they shine ♪

1250
01:14:34,983 --> 01:14:40,996
♪ Oh, if you ever need a friend ♪

1251
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:42,916
♪ Look around you, I'm, wow!

1252
01:14:42,999 --> 01:14:44,668
♪ Sailing behind you ♪

1253
01:14:44,752 --> 01:14:48,258
♪ Sailing right behind ♪

1254
01:14:48,342 --> 01:14:51,514
♪ Oh, like a bridge ♪

1255
01:14:51,598 --> 01:14:54,270
♪ Like a bridge over ♪

1256
01:14:54,354 --> 01:14:57,859
♪ Over troubled waters ♪

1257
01:14:57,943 --> 01:14:59,362
♪ I'll be there ♪

1258
01:14:59,445 --> 01:15:02,243
♪ To go to bed ♪

1259
01:15:02,327 --> 01:15:03,704
♪ Oh yes ♪

1260
01:15:03,788 --> 01:15:06,292
♪ Oh, oh, oh, yes ♪

1261
01:15:06,376 --> 01:15:08,881
♪ Oh oh ♪

1262
01:15:08,965 --> 01:15:11,719
♪ Yes, I do, uh ♪

1263
01:15:33,175 --> 01:15:37,308
♪ Yesterday's boy is gone ♪

1264
01:15:37,392 --> 01:15:42,027
♪ Driving through the darkness, ♪

1265
01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:46,159
♪ seeking your forgiveness ♪

1266
01:15:46,242 --> 01:15:50,332
♪ In pain, a beautiful song ♪

1267
01:15:50,416 --> 01:15:55,217
♪ Live in the heart and sing for everyone ♪

1268
01:15:55,301 --> 01:15:59,892
♪ Your forgiveness ♪

1269
01:15:59,975 --> 01:16:03,024
♪ Inside the digital mind ♪

1270
01:16:03,107 --> 01:16:08,158
♪ A homeless soul reflects on the code ♪

1271
01:16:08,241 --> 01:16:11,039
♪ Of forgiveness ♪

1272
01:16:11,122 --> 01:16:13,042
In the word "cold", it is a G chord.

1273
01:16:13,125 --> 01:16:14,717
- It's "code", C...
- "Code"!

1274
01:16:14,797 --> 01:16:17,291
"Reflect on the code of forgiveness."

1275
01:16:17,374 --> 01:16:19,747
Code is code is absolutely crucial to...

1276
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:21,849
Oh, absolutely, it's a digital code.

1277
01:16:21,934 --> 01:16:22,934
I understand.

1278
01:16:22,969 --> 01:16:24,772
...to what is happening in that verse.

1279
01:16:24,856 --> 01:16:25,942
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.

1280
01:16:26,025 --> 01:16:28,863
It is to reflect, reflect on
the code of forgiveness.

1281
01:16:28,947 --> 01:16:30,866
Well.

1282
01:16:30,951 --> 01:16:32,078
Well.

1283
01:16:35,333 --> 01:16:40,260
♪ And me, the last one in line ♪

1284
01:16:40,343 --> 01:16:45,144
♪ Hoping the doors aren't closed ♪

1285
01:16:45,227 --> 01:16:48,400
♪ Before forgiveness ♪

1286
01:16:48,483 --> 01:16:51,906
I feel like we probably
could have done it,

1287
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:55,413
"And me, the last one in line,

1288
01:16:55,496 --> 01:16:57,250
hoping the doors don't close

1289
01:16:57,333 --> 01:16:58,918
before your forgiveness."

1290
01:16:59,002 --> 01:17:01,674
There's something about the loneliness of

1291
01:17:01,757 --> 01:17:06,267
the only instrument
because there's the guy

1292
01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:08,271
he's just the last one in line.

1293
01:17:08,354 --> 01:17:10,609
There's something... you
know, there's something

1294
01:17:10,692 --> 01:17:12,863
There's a little void there
that... that can happen.

1295
01:17:16,535 --> 01:17:18,206
- Let's play...
- That's very good.

1296
01:17:18,289 --> 01:17:20,000
...and see what that does.

1297
01:17:32,482 --> 01:17:34,152
Okay, wait.

1298
01:17:34,236 --> 01:17:39,203
Can you touch? When you
play this, don't make it pretty.

1299
01:17:55,943 --> 01:18:00,242
♪ I have my reasons to doubt ♪

1300
01:18:03,456 --> 01:18:08,049
♪ There is a case to present ♪

1301
01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:12,891
♪ 2 billion beats and out ♪

1302
01:18:17,524 --> 01:18:21,741
♪ Waving the flag in the last parade ♪

1303
01:18:23,703 --> 01:18:28,629
What's going on with the
song is just a debate, you know?

1304
01:18:28,713 --> 01:18:31,343
"Oh, okay, I guess. Oh, I don't know.

1305
01:18:31,426 --> 01:18:32,862
Maybe I don't believe it. No..."

1306
01:18:32,945 --> 01:18:36,585
♪ Dip your hand in the waters of heaven ♪

1307
01:18:36,769 --> 01:18:40,610
♪ God's imagination ♪

1308
01:18:40,693 --> 01:18:43,991
♪ Dip your hand in the waters of heaven ♪

1309
01:18:47,706 --> 01:18:52,966
♪ All the abundance of life
in a drop of condensation ♪

1310
01:18:53,050 --> 01:18:55,012
I was sitting next to him and he

1311
01:18:55,096 --> 01:18:57,341
sang the whole thing, like in my ear.

1312
01:18:57,425 --> 01:18:58,644
It was very smooth.

1313
01:18:58,727 --> 01:19:02,191
And then I could hear it, the symbolism.

1314
01:19:02,274 --> 01:19:04,904
How the limitation of your belief always

1315
01:19:04,987 --> 01:19:08,370
tends to be linked to your conception

1316
01:19:08,453 --> 01:19:12,838
of your mortality in the sense that
you are part of the flow of a thing.

1317
01:19:16,134 --> 01:19:20,560
It is a sunrise and it is
a sunset, transfiguration.

1318
01:19:21,644 --> 01:19:25,902
♪ I have my reasons to doubt ♪

1319
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,870
I'm still not sure what I want.

1320
01:19:29,953 --> 01:19:34,878
♪ A white light relieves pain ♪

1321
01:19:34,961 --> 01:19:39,261
♪ 2 billion beats and out ♪

1322
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,646
♪ Or does it all ♪

1323
01:19:44,730 --> 01:19:47,902
♪ Start again ♪

1324
01:20:04,182 --> 01:20:06,603
♪ Dip your hand in the waters of heaven ♪

1325
01:20:06,686 --> 01:20:08,064
One more time.

1326
01:20:13,700 --> 01:20:15,287
♪ Put your hand in the sky ♪

1327
01:20:15,371 --> 01:20:17,207
One more time.

1328
01:20:17,290 --> 01:20:19,293
It has been a very
strange year because it

1329
01:20:19,378 --> 01:20:22,801
happened very quickly
starting in October.

1330
01:20:22,884 --> 01:20:25,138
until early November, boom.

1331
01:20:25,222 --> 01:20:28,018
- Scary.
- He's gone.

1332
01:20:28,102 --> 01:20:29,815
But I kept thinking, oh, okay.

1333
01:20:29,898 --> 01:20:31,483
He'll come back and I'll do this.

1334
01:20:31,567 --> 01:20:33,087
I will do that. I'll see the doctors.

1335
01:20:33,112 --> 01:20:34,990
Do you have the one inside?

1336
01:20:35,073 --> 01:20:36,543
It goes here and then it goes here.

1337
01:20:36,626 --> 01:20:38,162
- Well.
- It's on both sides.

1338
01:20:38,246 --> 01:20:40,417
Yeah.

1339
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:44,383
It's a... It's a help in conversation,
but it doesn't help at all in music.

1340
01:20:44,466 --> 01:20:45,927
For music, interesting.

1341
01:20:46,011 --> 01:20:50,059
It's real... tiny.

1342
01:20:52,815 --> 01:20:55,529
I don't know, suddenly, you know,

1343
01:20:55,613 --> 01:20:57,867
I said, oh, this is not coming back.

1344
01:20:57,950 --> 01:21:00,221
And I really fell into a depression.

1345
01:21:00,301 --> 01:21:04,420
And finally, when I hit the
bottom of the depression,

1346
01:21:04,503 --> 01:21:09,554
I said, you better get out of
bed and exercise, you know?

1347
01:21:09,638 --> 01:21:14,439
I was able to type with these
two small Bose speakers.

1348
01:21:14,523 --> 01:21:16,234
connected to my computer.

1349
01:21:16,318 --> 01:21:19,531
If I put my head here, I could still...

1350
01:21:22,036 --> 01:21:24,499
I just have to figure
out how to sing, and

1351
01:21:24,582 --> 01:21:27,963
I can't... I haven't figured it out yet.

1352
01:21:29,676 --> 01:21:32,890
♪ Yesterday's boy is gone ♪

1353
01:21:33,850 --> 01:21:38,943
♪ Driving through the dark, searching ♪

1354
01:21:39,026 --> 01:21:40,822
♪ your forgiveness ♪

1355
01:21:42,867 --> 01:21:47,125
♪ In pain, a beautiful song ♪

1356
01:21:47,208 --> 01:21:48,877
♪ Live in the heart ♪

1357
01:21:48,961 --> 01:21:50,673
No, that's all.

1358
01:21:55,057 --> 01:21:56,960
We'll have to deal with that another day.

1359
01:22:00,233 --> 01:22:02,570
Once I put these headphones on, all

1360
01:22:02,653 --> 01:22:05,409
the distortion there is in the damage,

1361
01:22:05,492 --> 01:22:07,328
whatever caused that damage,

1362
01:22:07,413 --> 01:22:10,501
I can't get rid of it. It is amplified.

1363
01:22:10,585 --> 01:22:12,296
When it first happened, I

1364
01:22:12,376 --> 01:22:14,539
was working with a kinesiologist

1365
01:22:14,619 --> 01:22:17,348
that I had a friend who
was a neuroscientist.

1366
01:22:17,432 --> 01:22:22,733
And he invented this equipment, which is...

1367
01:22:22,816 --> 01:22:26,198
you put it on your tongue
because it's closer to the brain.

1368
01:22:26,281 --> 01:22:29,537
And it stimulates your
tongue electrically,

1369
01:22:29,621 --> 01:22:32,876
which stimulates the
amygdala and your brain.

1370
01:22:32,959 --> 01:22:39,765
And then I would be listening to
these hearing tests with headphones.

1371
01:22:39,848 --> 01:22:42,726
so I was really concentrating on

1372
01:22:42,806 --> 01:22:45,684
the frequencies that had disappeared.

1373
01:22:51,244 --> 01:22:55,086
And when you meditated,
one of the meditations

1374
01:22:55,169 --> 01:22:58,509
he said was, "Choose
your favorite moments."

1375
01:22:58,592 --> 01:23:01,229
from when you were young
and, you know, in perfect

1376
01:23:01,309 --> 01:23:07,191
health and all that and
you really focused on that.

1377
01:23:07,275 --> 01:23:09,988
and get that memory in your head.

1378
01:23:10,071 --> 01:23:14,016
And every time you start to get depressed

1379
01:23:14,096 --> 01:23:17,127
or something, click on that memory again.

1380
01:23:17,211 --> 01:23:21,802
"When you feel that
you are in perfect health

1381
01:23:21,886 --> 01:23:23,686
and can run very fast,
you could do anything."

1382
01:23:26,811 --> 01:23:30,359
♪ It was time, and what time it was ♪

1383
01:23:30,443 --> 01:23:31,863
♪ It was ♪

1384
01:23:33,740 --> 01:23:37,164
♪ A time of innocence ♪

1385
01:23:37,247 --> 01:23:41,839
♪ A time of confidences ♪

1386
01:23:41,924 --> 01:23:45,513
♪ It must be a long time ago ♪

1387
01:23:45,597 --> 01:23:48,852
♪ I have a photograph ♪

1388
01:23:48,936 --> 01:23:52,442
♪ Preserve your memories ♪

1389
01:23:52,525 --> 01:23:56,743
♪ They are all you have left ♪

1390
01:24:00,833 --> 01:24:03,923
Once you accept the
condition as something

1391
01:24:04,006 --> 01:24:08,138
more than a detriment but as information

1392
01:24:08,222 --> 01:24:11,269
that you have to solve,
then you can use it.

1393
01:24:15,736 --> 01:24:18,306
Especially since this whole album

1394
01:24:18,386 --> 01:24:20,954
is about spiritual themes, I said:

1395
01:24:21,037 --> 01:24:24,159
Maybe this, you know,
wasn't supposed to be so easy.

1396
01:24:25,337 --> 01:24:28,301
Maybe you're supposed
to have an obstacle that

1397
01:24:28,385 --> 01:24:31,223
gives you more insight
into what you're saying.

1398
01:24:35,689 --> 01:24:37,610
And you do it for 20 minutes.

1399
01:24:37,694 --> 01:24:40,157
Basically, what he
said was, uh, with the...

1400
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,661
with the... with the brain... you know

1401
01:24:42,746 --> 01:24:44,386
with the body, but the brain is the same.

1402
01:24:44,457 --> 01:24:46,043
Use it or lose it.

1403
01:24:47,921 --> 01:24:52,304
♪ The seeds we collect ♪

1404
01:24:52,387 --> 01:24:56,812
♪ From the gardener's glove ♪

1405
01:24:56,896 --> 01:24:59,903
As Wynton told me,
"Hey, it took Beethoven ten

1406
01:24:59,986 --> 01:25:02,699
years to get used
to it and figure it out."

1407
01:25:02,783 --> 01:25:04,645
♪ Nothing dies from too much love ♪

1408
01:25:04,725 --> 01:25:07,833
He'd say, "Well, you
know, it's out of tune.

1409
01:25:07,917 --> 01:25:10,972
I said, man, but that makes it
even more poignant and beautiful.

1410
01:25:11,056 --> 01:25:12,575
You should leave all that there."

1411
01:25:12,658 --> 01:25:14,111
But I know he won't do that.

1412
01:25:14,196 --> 01:25:15,790
♪ The Lord is my engineer ♪

1413
01:25:15,973 --> 01:25:18,103
Or maybe leave a couple of them there.

1414
01:25:18,187 --> 01:25:20,774
♪ The Lord is the Earth on which I ride ♪

1415
01:25:20,857 --> 01:25:23,459
He said, "I know this is
going to be hard for you, but

1416
01:25:23,539 --> 01:25:25,597
listen, just listening to
you is kind of a struggle."

1417
01:25:25,617 --> 01:25:27,439
with a note to get to it is very

1418
01:25:27,519 --> 01:25:30,459
interesting and very moving in itself.

1419
01:25:30,543 --> 01:25:33,574
He said, "I know you're going to hear
a note that's going to be out of tune.

1420
01:25:33,654 --> 01:25:34,974
"You're going to want to fix it."

1421
01:25:35,051 --> 01:25:36,052
He said, "Don't do it."

1422
01:25:36,136 --> 01:25:40,145
♪ The Lord is a forester ♪

1423
01:25:40,228 --> 01:25:45,237
♪ The Lord is food for the poorest ♪

1424
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:50,414
♪ Welcome door to the stranger ♪

1425
01:25:50,496 --> 01:25:53,251
Of course, I don't
pay attention to it at all.

1426
01:25:53,334 --> 01:25:55,505
But I understand what you're saying.

1427
01:25:55,589 --> 01:25:57,593
He wasn't saying, "Don't sing in tune."

1428
01:25:57,676 --> 01:25:59,764
He was saying, "Leave the fight there."

1429
01:25:59,848 --> 01:26:01,935
♪ The COVID virus is Lord ♪

1430
01:26:02,019 --> 01:26:03,814
That's part of the story.

1431
01:26:03,898 --> 01:26:07,078
♪ The Lord is the increase of the oceans ♪

1432
01:26:07,362 --> 01:26:10,586
♪ The Lord is a terrible
and swift sword ♪

1433
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:15,503
♪ The simple truth survives ♪

1434
01:26:29,614 --> 01:26:33,004
Do you find the need to share
musical ideas with someone?

1435
01:26:33,087 --> 01:26:36,534
Because, I mean, obviously, I don't
know how you used to work with Artie

1436
01:26:36,617 --> 01:26:40,676
Garfunkel, if you did, how close
the writing partnership really was.

1437
01:26:40,759 --> 01:26:42,646
Well, we weren't a writing society.

1438
01:26:42,730 --> 01:26:44,435
Not us, not me, we don't write together.

1439
01:26:44,515 --> 01:26:46,921
So was it always your
song, his song, your song?

1440
01:26:47,105 --> 01:26:49,444
No, he never... he didn't
write any of the songs.

1441
01:26:49,524 --> 01:26:51,826
He didn't write anything...
I don't want to say... I feel weird.

1442
01:26:51,846 --> 01:26:53,383
He didn't write any of the songs.

1443
01:26:53,466 --> 01:26:55,552
I wrote all the Simon
and Garfunkel songs.

1444
01:26:55,636 --> 01:26:56,636
Hmm. Yeah.

1445
01:26:56,663 --> 01:26:58,591
No, I didn't need a writing partner, but,

1446
01:26:58,674 --> 01:27:00,988
uh, your question
about, do I find it useful?

1447
01:27:01,172 --> 01:27:04,053
Exchange musical
ideas with people? Yeah.

1448
01:27:04,137 --> 01:27:06,725
♪ Are you going to,
do... are you going to ♪

1449
01:27:06,808 --> 01:27:08,236
- Oh, we're in the...
- Pick me up.

1450
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:10,440
- We stayed in the room.
- ♪Da, da, da, da, da ♪

1451
01:27:10,523 --> 01:27:12,368
We're still on the fourth chord, but...

1452
01:27:12,452 --> 01:27:14,938
Well, as for the melody,
stick to that higher note.

1453
01:27:15,022 --> 01:27:16,107
- Well.
- Go down there.

1454
01:27:16,191 --> 01:27:17,191
♪ Da, da, da, da ♪

1455
01:27:17,227 --> 01:27:21,494
♪ It seems like it's a dream ♪

1456
01:27:27,847 --> 01:27:28,750
That sounds like something to me.

1457
01:27:28,833 --> 01:27:31,336
Okay, then stay, start
with the lowest notes.

1458
01:27:31,420 --> 01:27:34,409
No, no, let me hear the chords
first, before entering the note.

1459
01:27:34,493 --> 01:27:37,665
You sing it and get both parts
in your head, and then I'll learn it.

1460
01:27:37,748 --> 01:27:40,353
We had an unequal partnership

1461
01:27:40,537 --> 01:27:42,708
because I was writing all the songs.

1462
01:27:42,793 --> 01:27:45,672
and basically run the
sessions because I would say,

1463
01:27:45,756 --> 01:27:48,014
"This is how it goes,
and this is the guitar part,

1464
01:27:48,094 --> 01:27:50,974
and this is it, and you
should play it on the drums.

1465
01:27:51,058 --> 01:27:52,518
No, the bass should do this."

1466
01:27:52,601 --> 01:27:54,481
And Artie would be in
the control room with Roy.

1467
01:27:54,563 --> 01:27:55,932
And he'd say, "Yeah, that's good."

1468
01:27:56,016 --> 01:27:57,193
Let's do it, you know."

1469
01:27:57,276 --> 01:27:59,657
But it was an unequal balance of power.

1470
01:28:01,243 --> 01:28:02,996
There are times when I'm

1471
01:28:03,081 --> 01:28:05,377
singing one of Paul's songs.

1472
01:28:05,460 --> 01:28:07,567
I feel like the song is
actually very personal

1473
01:28:07,647 --> 01:28:09,884
and probably shouldn't be sung by anyone.

1474
01:28:09,968 --> 01:28:12,097
apart from the writer, but there are

1475
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:16,897
other songs that go beyond a person.

1476
01:28:20,446 --> 01:28:21,906
♪ Hello darkness ♪

1477
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:24,252
Which is part of the reason why Mike

1478
01:28:24,332 --> 01:28:25,919
Nichols, after "The Graduate," told him:

1479
01:28:25,939 --> 01:28:27,782
"It will be better for the group if you

1480
01:28:27,862 --> 01:28:30,089
become a movie star,
and Paul is the writer.

1481
01:28:30,173 --> 01:28:32,719
It will... It will be more balanced.

1482
01:28:32,802 --> 01:28:36,058
So they hired him to do "Catch-22."

1483
01:28:36,142 --> 01:28:40,483
So he wasn't there for half of
"Bridge Over Troubled Water."

1484
01:28:40,566 --> 01:28:43,321
You are crazy. You are all crazy.

1485
01:28:43,404 --> 01:28:44,783
Why are we crazy?

1486
01:28:44,867 --> 01:28:47,997
Because you don't know how to stay alive.

1487
01:28:48,081 --> 01:28:50,961
That is the secret of life.

1488
01:28:51,045 --> 01:28:53,256
But we have a war to win.

1489
01:28:53,340 --> 01:28:56,095
Ah, but the United
States will lose the war.

1490
01:28:56,179 --> 01:28:57,932
- No.
- Italy will win.

1491
01:28:58,015 --> 01:29:00,604
The United States is the
strongest nation on Earth.

1492
01:29:00,687 --> 01:29:02,816
The American fighter is the best trained,

1493
01:29:02,900 --> 01:29:05,280
the best equipped and the best fed.

1494
01:29:06,699 --> 01:29:11,290
♪ Tom, get your plane right on time ♪

1495
01:29:13,127 --> 01:29:17,386
♪ I know your part will go well ♪

1496
01:29:19,055 --> 01:29:25,191
♪ Fly to Mexico ♪

1497
01:29:25,275 --> 01:29:27,572
♪ Doh-n-doh, doh-n-doh-n-doh ♪

1498
01:29:27,655 --> 01:29:31,370
♪ Honey, here I am ♪

1499
01:29:31,453 --> 01:29:35,043
♪ The only living child in New York ♪

1500
01:29:37,506 --> 01:29:39,844
"The only living boy in
New York," I mean, is...

1501
01:29:39,927 --> 01:29:41,847
It's like a "good luck to you" song.

1502
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:44,018
- Good.
- My best wishes, you know?

1503
01:29:44,101 --> 01:29:47,525
♪ Oh, I can gather all the news I need ♪

1504
01:29:47,609 --> 01:29:50,072
♪ In the weather report ♪

1505
01:29:51,992 --> 01:29:53,746
♪ Hey ♪

1506
01:29:53,828 --> 01:29:58,712
♪ I have nothing to do today but smile ♪

1507
01:29:58,795 --> 01:30:00,132
♪ Doh-n-doh, doh-n-doh-n-doh ♪

1508
01:30:00,215 --> 01:30:04,056
♪ Honey, here I am ♪

1509
01:30:04,139 --> 01:30:08,231
♪ The only living child in New York ♪

1510
01:30:12,154 --> 01:30:14,075
♪ Half the time we leave ♪

1511
01:30:14,158 --> 01:30:15,744
♪ But we don't know where ♪

1512
01:30:15,828 --> 01:30:19,835
♪ We don't know where ♪

1513
01:30:25,595 --> 01:30:27,099
We were really best friends until

1514
01:30:27,182 --> 01:30:29,688
"Bridge Over Troubled Water."

1515
01:30:31,975 --> 01:30:34,321
We had traveled so
much together and were so

1516
01:30:34,405 --> 01:30:37,452
compelled by the power
of business to be together,

1517
01:30:37,536 --> 01:30:40,959
It started to affect our
friendship, which was always true.

1518
01:30:42,043 --> 01:30:46,552
It started to get abrasive being
forced to be together and on tour.

1519
01:30:48,724 --> 01:30:51,145
Artie said, "Yeah, the way
it's gonna be like that is,

1520
01:30:51,228 --> 01:30:53,934
I'm going to make films for six
months and then I'll come back.

1521
01:30:54,017 --> 01:30:57,489
You'll have written the songs and
we'll make, you know, the album."

1522
01:30:57,573 --> 01:31:00,035
And I thought, yeah, actually,
no, that's not going to happen.

1523
01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:01,914
I'm not going to do that.

1524
01:31:01,998 --> 01:31:04,878
But wasn't that already
how it was working anyway?

1525
01:31:04,961 --> 01:31:06,689
No, but we were always together.

1526
01:31:06,773 --> 01:31:07,773
UH Huh.

1527
01:31:07,842 --> 01:31:10,029
You know, I'd be like,
"Oh, I wrote a new song."

1528
01:31:10,112 --> 01:31:11,562
It wasn't like he came back and said:

1529
01:31:11,582 --> 01:31:13,169
"What is the collection of songs you

1530
01:31:13,252 --> 01:31:15,104
wrote during these last six months?"

1531
01:31:15,188 --> 01:31:16,538
While I was writing a song, I was like,

1532
01:31:16,558 --> 01:31:18,737
"Hey, you know what you think of this?"

1533
01:31:18,821 --> 01:31:22,161
You know, the main thing
that interested us we shared.

1534
01:31:22,242 --> 01:31:26,417
If I'm going to wait three or four
months for the logs to be recorded,

1535
01:31:26,501 --> 01:31:28,880
I can also do a lot of
things with that time.

1536
01:31:28,964 --> 01:31:30,635
And when I received the offer to go down

1537
01:31:30,718 --> 01:31:33,557
and make a small cameo in "Catch-22",

1538
01:31:33,641 --> 01:31:36,145
I considered it five or six weeks tops.

1539
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:39,235
Then I'll go to Mexico and do this.

1540
01:31:39,318 --> 01:31:41,050
I didn't think it was
going to be a problem.

1541
01:31:41,070 --> 01:31:43,186
What did become a problem then is that

1542
01:31:43,266 --> 01:31:45,286
they kept me down there for a long time.

1543
01:31:45,370 --> 01:31:47,749
"The movie is over.
"You have to come back."

1544
01:31:47,833 --> 01:31:50,918
"No, we can't because we have
to shoot this week in Mexico."

1545
01:31:50,998 --> 01:31:53,636
And then: “Send what
you did and let me hear.

1546
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,140
No, that's not good. You
have to change this and this."

1547
01:31:56,224 --> 01:32:00,106
It was as if everything had been altered.

1548
01:32:02,695 --> 01:32:06,702
It was a recipe for a breakup
for Simon and Garfunkel.

1549
01:32:06,785 --> 01:32:08,998
And here it goes.

1550
01:32:09,081 --> 01:32:11,544
It didn't have the harmony of friendship.

1551
01:32:11,627 --> 01:32:13,214
That was broken.

1552
01:32:13,298 --> 01:32:17,221
♪ When you're tired ♪

1553
01:32:17,306 --> 01:32:18,808
"Bridge over troubled waters,"

1554
01:32:18,892 --> 01:32:21,146
When we used to play it on stage,

1555
01:32:21,229 --> 01:32:24,485
Artie sang the song and people jumped.

1556
01:32:24,569 --> 01:32:26,655
He got a standing ovation, you know?

1557
01:32:26,739 --> 01:32:29,703
And my reaction was: I wrote that song.

1558
01:32:31,665 --> 01:32:36,341
Am I the one who broke Simon and
Garfunkel, or was it Paul who failed?

1559
01:32:36,424 --> 01:32:40,067
to accommodate Garfunkel's
enrichment of his own career?

1560
01:32:40,147 --> 01:32:42,560
Two people are needed to form a group.

1561
01:32:42,644 --> 01:32:44,556
It takes two people to be idiots.

1562
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:49,540
♪ Oh, when times get tough ♪

1563
01:32:49,823 --> 01:32:55,920
♪ And you just can't find friends ♪

1564
01:32:56,003 --> 01:32:58,382
♪ Like a bridge ♪

1565
01:32:58,465 --> 01:33:01,471
Or maybe it was my perfect Freudian

1566
01:33:01,554 --> 01:33:04,059
trauma that my mother once told me:

1567
01:33:04,142 --> 01:33:05,561
"You have a good voice, Paul,

1568
01:33:05,645 --> 01:33:07,482
but Arthur has a great voice."

1569
01:33:07,565 --> 01:33:10,655
♪ Like a bridge ♪

1570
01:33:10,738 --> 01:33:15,747
♪ Over troubled waters ♪

1571
01:33:15,832 --> 01:33:19,255
♪ I'm going to go to bed ♪

1572
01:33:19,338 --> 01:33:21,258
This is my oldest friend.

1573
01:33:21,341 --> 01:33:26,735
And we experienced anonymity
and then great fame and success.

1574
01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:30,817
And those things have their own pressure.

1575
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:33,614
It was an intense five
years of being a success,

1576
01:33:33,698 --> 01:33:36,495
and that's close to
the length of his life.

1577
01:33:38,916 --> 01:33:42,372
I used to think when "Bridge
Over Troubled Water" was

1578
01:33:42,455 --> 01:33:45,136
finished, well, we're really
on top of each other too much,

1579
01:33:45,219 --> 01:33:47,379
and the grease in the
machinery isn't there,

1580
01:33:47,459 --> 01:33:50,520
and it's squeaking, and
we could use a break.

1581
01:33:50,604 --> 01:33:53,026
And I'd certainly love to get some rest.

1582
01:33:53,109 --> 01:33:56,658
But after a break, I see a
wonderful upcoming album.

1583
01:33:56,742 --> 01:33:57,951
He didn't see it that way.

1584
01:34:02,126 --> 01:34:03,670
I couldn't get over that.

1585
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,598
♪ Slow down, you move too fast ♪

1586
01:34:09,681 --> 01:34:12,895
♪ You have to make the morning last ♪

1587
01:34:12,978 --> 01:34:17,530
♪ Just knocking down the cobblestones ♪

1588
01:34:17,613 --> 01:34:19,033
♪ Looking for fun ♪

1589
01:34:19,117 --> 01:34:25,086
♪ And feeling great ♪

1590
01:34:27,465 --> 01:34:28,968
That was a good friendship.

1591
01:34:29,051 --> 01:34:32,641
That was really the first friendship

1592
01:34:32,724 --> 01:34:37,568
of someone who got it for me.

1593
01:34:37,651 --> 01:34:41,659
♪ But you have no rhymes for me ♪

1594
01:34:41,742 --> 01:34:45,748
♪ Da, da, da, do, feeling great ♪

1595
01:34:45,832 --> 01:34:50,592
Becoming a person I
hope to never see again...

1596
01:34:50,675 --> 01:34:52,344
that's a long way.

1597
01:34:52,428 --> 01:34:55,935
♪ La, la, la, la, la,
la, la, la, la, la, la ♪

1598
01:34:56,020 --> 01:34:59,442
♪ No, no, no, no, no, no,
not, not, not, not, not, not, not ♪

1599
01:34:59,525 --> 01:35:05,453
♪ La, la, do do, do do, do do ♪

1600
01:35:05,536 --> 01:35:09,711
♪ Do, do, do, do, do, do, do. ♪